ICE told to get the eff out

[MNW67]

MNW and Noseall have been shown to be liars and twisters on this forum, dear readers. Please take everything they say with a pinch of salt AND note the loony left technique being used: repeating the same lies over and over to drown out the truth.

You have been sucked into the insane world of MBK.

The facts I was giving yesterday about illegal immigrants paying income tax, are agreed by the US government, Congress and the US tax authority (the IRS) itself. They even have a page all about it:

Illegal aliens (undocumented aliens)
Foreign workers who are illegal aliens (undocumented aliens) are subject to U.S. taxes in spite of their illegal status. U.S. employers or payers who hire illegal aliens (undocumented aliens) may be subject to various fines, penalties, and sanctions imposed by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. If such employers or payers choose to hire illegal aliens (undocumented aliens), the payments made to those aliens are subject to the same tax withholding and reporting obligations that apply to other classes of aliens. Illegal aliens (undocumented aliens) who are nonresident aliens and who receive income from performing independent personal services are subject to 30 percent withholding unless exempt under some provision of law or a tax treaty. Illegal aliens (undocumented aliens) who are resident aliens and who receive income from performing dependent personal services are subject to the same reporting and withholding obligations which apply to U.S. citizens who receive the same kind of income.

The only person disputing these facts is MBK. And that is only because he spent days denying it could happen, and he is pathologically unable to admit he has ever made a mistake.

Remember, this is the man who spent more than a hundred pages arguing over the meaning of the word 'approved' to cover up the fact that he had misunderstood the basics of the rules on abortion.

 

[King Billy]

King Billy = Himmy
Asylum Seeker = Illegal Immigrant

Can you please explain the meaning of the first line of your post?

For the second line, can you specify whether you are referring to the USA or to the UK?
There is a difference.
My comment was referring to UK Asylum seekers, and in that context your definition is wrong. Asylum seeker ≠ illegal immigrant
Their claim for asylum effectively negates any crime of illegal entry, until their case is resolved.
If their claim is successful, they have the right to remain.
If their claim is not successful, then they could be prosecuted for illegal entry, but that would be counterproductive, and both the UK courts, and ECHR might have something to say about that.

 

[pete01]

Can you please explain the meaning of the first line of your post?

I'll get to the bottom of this......know anything about a tenner?

 

[King Billy]

I'll get to the bottom of this......know anything about a tenner?

I think there is an attempt to disrupt the discussion with irrelevant nonsense.

I'm not playing that game.

 

[motorbiking]

MNW and Noseall have been shown to be liars and twisters on this forum, dear readers. Please take everything they say with a pinch of salt AND note the loony left technique being used: repeating the same lies over and over to drown out the truth.

as evidenced - exhibit 1:

You have been sucked into the insane world of MBK.

The facts I was giving yesterday about illegal immigrants paying income tax, are agreed by the US government, Congress and the US tax authority (the IRS) itself. They even have a page all about it:

I merely pointed out that there were no numbers/data to back up the estimates, just links to other articles they'd written. sloppy at best.

The only person disputing these facts is MBK. And that is only because he spent days denying it could happen, and he is pathologically unable to admit he has ever made a mistake.

Evidently this is false

Remember, this is the man who spent more than a hundred pages arguing over the meaning of the word 'approved' to cover up the fact that he had misunderstood the basics of the rules on abortion.

Its fairly clear if you understand the law - here it is again : https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1967/87/section/1
An opinion formed in good faith, is not a requirement for approval.

 

[MNW67]

I merely pointed out that there were no numbers/data to back up the estimates

No, that's not true. You spent days posting that it wasn't possible for illegal immigrants to pay income tax. Once we had let you hang yourself, and you finally discovered you were wrong, you started running through your usual bag of tricks to try to deflect and change the question.

 

[motorbiking]

No, that's not true. You spent days posting that it wasn't possible for illegal immigrants to pay income tax. Once we had let you hang yourself, and you finally discovered you were wrong, you started running through your usual bag of tricks to try to deflect and change the question.

feel free to quote me.

There is a difference between illegals and undocumented, non-citizens etc..

 

[MNW67]

there were no numbers/data to back up the estimates

I agree with that. But there is research. The US government, including the IRS, relying on that research, along with their own assessment based on the numbers of ITINs, accepts that about 50% of illegal immigrants pay income tax. The estimates we were discussing from various studies, such as by Yale University, are calculated using the same research as that used by the US government. Now, I accept that the research underpinning the methodology used by the US government could well be wrong. You might have spotted the flaws which the US government hasn't. Anything is possible.

 

[MNW67]

feel free to quote me.

OK

Please explain how an illegal immigrant can pay income tax.

 

[motorbiking]

I agree with that. But there is research. The US government, including the IRS, relying on that research, along with their own assessment based on the numbers of ITINs, accepts that about 50% of illegal immigrants pay income tax. The estimates we were discussing from various studies, such as by Yale University, are calculated using the same research as that used by the US government. Now, I accept that the research underpinning the methodology used by the US government could well be wrong. You might have spotted the flaws which the US government hasn't. Anything is possible.

just estimates.

 

[MNW67]

just estimates.

I have never said anything different. GDP is an estimate. Inflation is an estimate. Where there is no mechanism to count something directly, then you have to use estimates.

 

[motorbiking]

OK

1 - Employers get fines, sanctions, reputation damage and barred from contracts
2 - Employees who sign-up are more likely to get traced.

and we are meant to believe that the 5.8M holders are illegal migrants?

It doesn't stack up, particularly if you look at the requirement.

Taxpayer identification numbers (TIN) | Internal Revenue Service

Review the various taxpayer identification numbers (TIN) the IRS uses to administer tax laws. Find the TIN you need and how to get it.

www.irs.gov

The obvious reality is the vast majority will be non-residents, non-US spouses, etc etc.

 

[MNW67]

There is a difference between illegals and undocumented, non-citizens etc..

Illegals and undocumented mean the same thing in the US. Anti-immigrant people say 'illegal'. Pro-immigrant people say 'undocumented'. Both are automatically non-citizens, so that is a bit of a red herring.

 

[MNW67]

1 - Employers get fines, sanctions, reputation damage and barred from contracts

Sanctions on employers are actually very rare.

2 - Employees who sign-up are more likely to get traced.

There is a Chinese wall between IRS and ICE. So, this is not correct.

 

[MNW67]

and we are meant to believe that the 5.8M holders are illegal migrants?

The IRS works on the basis of there being six million illegal immigrants paying income tax, either through withholding from their wages, or through tax returns. They might be wrong. Write and tell them!