Reform Policies

[motorbiking]

^^ This is one of the problems with this forum.

Why don't posters just give out information freely and willingly when they know it, rather than these silly guessing games.

You Posted their policy incorrectly:

All their policy says is that they will build 30,000 new prison places.

Which groups do you think they will let out.

I checked, It took me 10 seconds to find the actual policy. It doesn't take a genius to think it might be on their home page.
Its not my fault you couldn't be ar$ed to check the facts before posting something that was incorrect.

Some good ideas in there don't you thinks? Assuming you've actually read it now.

 

[Brigadier]

Reform will introduce if they gain power. Estimated annual cost £2 billion

They should, but then export it to 'murca.

Be great for our trade balance

 

[MNW67]

Some good ideas in there don't you thinks? Assuming you've actually read it now.

I was working on the basis that you actually knew the policy and that you were just d1cking people about. No problem. You were just pretending to know.

Anyway, it looks my intervention has brought us to the actual policy.

I am happy for us to build more prisons. The UK population has increased quite a lot.

I am dubious that we will be able to do the renting foreign prisons thing on any scale.

As regards the transfer of foreign prisoners. I think I am OK with that. But I would want consultation with victims' groups. In practice, I think it will be very difficult to get the majority transferred to serve the remainder of their sentences. The figures are hard to get. So far, I have found a figure saying that out of 6,000 returned each year, only about 100 are returned to serve their sentence. The rest seem to be returned to be set free. Maybe with enough money we could persuade the foreign governments to do more.

 

[motorbiking]

I was working on the basis that you actually knew the policy and that you were just d1cking people about. No problem. You were just pretending to know.

Anyway, it looks my intervention has brought us to the actual policy.

Or you could have said - thanks for correcting me... again.

I am happy for us to build more prisons. The UK population has increased quite a lot.

I am dubious that we will be able to do the renting foreign prisons thing on any scale.

I recall discussing this on another thread, we are talking of costs 10 X lower when you start looking at developing countries. Even if you triple the costs, there are huge savings. A policeman in Nigeria earns $2k a year. There are massive savings and profits to be had, they will be queuing up.

As regards the transfer of foreign prisoners. I think I am OK with that. But I would want consultation with victims' groups. In practice, I think it will be very difficult to get the majority transferred to serve the remainder of their sentences. The figures are hard to get. So far, I have found a figure saying that out of 6,000 returned each year, only about 100 are returned to serve their sentence. The rest seem to be returned to be set free. Maybe with enough money we could persuade the foreign governments to do more.

Again, if we are paying for them to be locked up there will be an incentive to keep them locked up.

 

[MNW67]

I recall discussing this on another thread, we are talking of costs 10 X lower when you start looking at developing countries. Even if you triple the costs, there are huge savings. A policeman in Nigeria earns $2k a year. There are massive savings and profits to be had, they will be queuing up.

I think I am against it on principle. Most people expect our jails to be of a certain standard. There is little appetite amongst the general public for making the conditions for British prisoners massively worse. It will have zero deterrent effect, if that is the rationale. And it will have very little public support.

 

[James Carmichael]

We are too soft on crime. Rather than increase prison places we should reintroduce capital punishment for all criminal offences. You get tried, you get convicted, you get hanged.

This will be popular with the public and solve the problem.

 

[ellal]

Or you could have said - thanks for correcting me... again.

Says...

I think its reasonable to expect a replacement of rights.

"In a speech on Tuesday, Tice (head of deform's proposed new Department of Business Trade and Energy) will vow to ditch the government's environmental targets and scrap new employment rights including protections around sick pay and unfair dismissal"

What was that about thanks for correcting you?

 

[King Billy]

different to the ones currently locked up

If they're already locked up, it's kinda difficult to lock them up again.

 

[King Billy]

I just read a headline which said 30,000 new places

The plan is roughly 12,000 new places in the UK.

10,000 to be rented from other countries.

And 10,000 foreign prisoners to be returned to their home country to finish their sentence.

Why didn't you just say that, originally, rather than playing stupid games. It becomes tiresome.

Any costs associated with these 12,000 new prison places to be built?
Any costs for accommodating these additional 12,000 prisoners?
Any costs associated with renting 10,000 prison places from other countries?
Any costs associated with returning 10,000 criminals to their home countries, assuming their home countreis willingly accept them?

 

[King Billy]

I recall discussing this on another thread, we are talking of costs 10 X lower when you start looking at developing countries. Even if you triple the costs, there are huge savings. A policeman in Nigeria earns $2k a year. There are massive savings and profits to be had, they will be queuing up.

Like the Rwanda scheme?

 

[King Billy]

We are too soft on crime. Rather than increase prison places we should reintroduce capital punishment for all criminal offences. You get tried, you get convicted, you get hanged.

You think there's no crime in places with high execution rates?

This will be popular with the public and solve the problem.

Perhaps we could carry out the executions in public to entertain the masses?