Snigger.

[transam]

I have explicitly rejected it.

Anyone who is not in need, with a moral compass or social conscience should do the same.

And I am not even rich.

Good to see you set an example (lol) for others to follow

 

[pete01]

I have explicitly rejected it.

Anyone who is not in need, with a moral compass or social conscience should do the same.

And I am not even rich.

Well done, if all you nearly rich pensioners do the same they can spend that money on hotel bills

 

[foxhole]

I’m sure Trumps said his ratings have gone up by 500 or 600%.

 

[JohnD]

Good to see you set an example (lol) for others to follow

 

[transam]

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Good to see you are setting an example for others to follow

Afaik inland rev will be getting it back any way if income exceeds a certain level

Good idea to pre empt the situation after all one does not want the inland rev poking there noses into one’s finances

 

[Mottie]

Wow. JohnD actually providing 'evidence' without being asked. That’s a first. If he had been as forthcoming with previous requests for evidence to back up some of his fantastical previous claims, that would have proven those claims instead of dragging threads out for ever. I won’t mention the date on the 'confirmation' letter though.

Now, let’s see you stop being one of those "tax dodgers" you hate with a passion and reject or pay back your tax free personal allowance, tax free premium bond winnings, tax free ISA interest, tax free personal savings allowance, tax free dividend allowance, free prescriptions, single persons council tax discount etc etc. Will your moral or social conscience allow that or do you actually need those tax dodges?

 

[fillyboy]

Wow. JohnD actually providing 'evidence' without being asked. That’s a first.

It is dated April 1st,

 

[robinbanks]

Now, let’s see you stop being one of those "tax dodgers" you hate with a passion and reject or pay back your tax free personal allowance, tax free premium bond winnings, tax free ISA interest, tax free personal savings allowance, tax free dividend allowance, free prescriptions, single persons council tax discount etc etc. Will your moral or social conscience allow that or do you actually need those tax dodges?

I struggle to see how it’s a “dodge” when it’s legal. Perhaps be more clear and use the word “avoid” or “evade” depending on what you mean!

 

[noseall]

I struggle to see how it’s a “dodge”

Me neither.

I think Mottie was pizzed when he wrote his rant. It actually shows JD has morals. Where there is a sensible mechanism in place to reject a government hand-out, he has done so. Good for him.

Incidentally, Mottie speaks for the RWR on the forum. They are a truly ignorant bunch.

 

[motorbiking]

I suspect this has more to do with it:

Income Tax charge on Winter Fuel Payments — Screening Equality Impact Assessment

www.gov.uk

If you fall in to the category and don't opt out, you will be paying more in Tax. So opting out is a way to reduce your tax.

The main reason to opt out if you expect your income to stay above the threshold is because from the 2027 to 2028 tax year, HMRC plans to recover payments in advance rather than in arrears, meaning deductions could be roughly double.

 

[Mottie]

I struggle to see how it’s a “dodge” when it’s legal.

So do I but if someone 'rich' uses a perfectly legal tax avoidance scheme, Johnnyboy declares them "tax dodgers" I’ve asked him time and time again to define 'tax dodging' - whether he means avoid or evade but he never replies. Let’s see if he'll give his definition now. Don’t hold your breath though.

It actually shows JD has morals. Where there is a sensible mechanism in place to reject a government hand-out, he has done so.

Anyone can refuse to accept the WFP, even those that will get it taken back again. A truly public spirited person would take it and give it to someone who does need it and then show that evidence if they want to.

What do you think the government will do with Johnny’s WFP?

 

[Highway Man]

It actually shows JD has morals.

Even a snake has those.

 

[motorbiking]

If you fall into the category of getting it clawed back, opting out is tax avoidance, nothing moral about it.
Some tax obsessed pensioners will have been aware of the need to opt out, in order to avoid paying more back in tax.

 

[Mottie]

If you fall into the category of getting it clawed back, opting out is tax avoidance, nothing moral about it.
Some tax obsessed pensioners will have been aware of the need to opt out, in order to avoid paying more back in tax.

Precisely.

Individuals with total income over £35,000 will have a choice to:

• opt-out of getting the payment (via DWP / SSS) – this means the customer would not receive the winter payment and would never be liable for the charge.

I would expect someone on a state and private pension who often tells of their 40% gains on their stocks and shares holding and who has a myriad of European investments to be above the £35k limit making their public gesture of refusing the WFP completely meaningless to those on this forum with more than one brain cell.

 

[noseall]

give it to someone who does need it and then show that evidence if they want to.

How do you know JD doesn't give to the needy?