Is it murder or man slaughter

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Let him start with all the dodgy re form candidates who made it past vetting.

Don't you get it Bluppers? We want dodgy candidates. The dodgier the better, as long as they are not Labour!

 

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That's not what I was saying. My point is that if you stab someone five times with an eight inch blade, then it is inevitable that you will cause them 'really serious harm'. And if they then die as a result, then that is murder. Even if causing them 'really serious harm' wasn't your goal.

Hacking a non arterial area is different from targeted deep wounds. What you describe is reckless. Anyone found guilty will be put away for a long time either way

 

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How many people who drive their car really fast , kill people? 0.00001% perhaps?
How many people who stab someone 5 times with an 8 inch knife kill? 40,60,80% perhaps?

have a read of the alternative counts section.

It may help frame what is going on.

Homicide: Murder, manslaughter, infanticide and causing or allowing the death or serious injury of a child or vulnerable adult | The Crown Prosecution Service

www.cps.gov.uk

It still depends on what the jury believes and it is out, it is not inevitable

 

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The "finest upstanding hardworking" who he latterly states he "barely knew, and never met" ones, you mean?

Rope them in too

 

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Don't you get it Bluppers? We want dodgy candidates. The dodgier the better, as long as they are not Labour!
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Tell Nige

 

[johnny2007]

How can anyone stab another 5 times, including back of the legs (while the victim was climbing a fence to escape?) not be aware that they might be causing serious harm or death?
This is murder.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

There has to be more to this.

I am also struggling with the idea that stabbing someone 5 times isn’t an obvious attempt to kill.

Not referring to this case, just making the wider point. Depends what the defence and/or experts put forward as mitigating circumstances. e.g. you could have a wife who's endured years of abuse at the hands of her husband and she snaps one day when he's beating her up, stabbing him multiple times in a fit of rage, killing him. Although she did the act, part of the defence would be it wasn't premeditated and her actions were the result of years of abuse, all coming out in those few seconds of rage, with no preplanned thought or intent of killing her husband.

I'll say again, I'm not referring to this case, just making the wider point.

 

[MNW67]

Hacking a non arterial area is different from targeted deep wounds. What you describe is reckless. Anyone found guilty will be put away for a long time either way

Would hacking someone five times with an eight inch knife be virtually certain to cause really serious harm?

 

[SPLINE]

How can anyone stab another 5 times, including back of the legs not be aware that they might be causing serious harm or death?
This is murder.

He could argue that he was taking great care, with each plunge of the knife, to avoid vital organs and blood vessels. A Pakistani lawyer would make such a case.

 

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Would hacking someone five times with an eight inch knife be virtually certain to cause really serious harm?

I’ll leave that to the jury

 

[blup]

How can anyone stab another 5 times, including back of the legs (while the victim was climbing a fence to escape?) not be aware that they might be causing serious harm or death?
This is murder.

Explain the one punch manslaughter verdicts when drunken scaffolders look for a fight on a Saturday night after their wife says she’s leaving

 

[imtiaz_ahmad]

Manslaughter isn’t really a “halfway house” in the way people sometimes think. In UK law the difference usually comes down to intent and circumstances, not simply whether someone died.

With murder, the prosecution has to prove there was intent to kill or cause really serious harm.

Manslaughter covers situations where someone unlawfully caused a death but the legal test for murder isn’t fully met — for example loss of control, diminished responsibility, excessive self-defence, or situations where intent is less clear.

That’s why you sometimes see someone deny murder but admit manslaughter, or vice versa. A stabbing can still legally end up as manslaughter depending on what the jury believes was happening at the time.

 

[Brigadier]

How can anyone stab another 5 times, including back of the legs (while the victim was climbing a fence to escape?) not be aware that they might be causing serious harm or death?
This is murder.

Was quite the thing with ultras in Rome at one time.

Puncicate.

Inflict pain with a much reduced chance of being up for murder.

 

[johnny2007]

Explain the one punch manslaughter verdicts when drunken scaffolders look for a fight on a Saturday night after their wife says she’s leaving

One punch in 99% of cases doesn't kill.
When it does, usually (but not always) the test for murder is not met, i.e. intent to kill.

 

[MNW67]

Manslaughter isn’t really a “halfway house” in the way people sometimes think. In UK law the difference usually comes down to intent and circumstances, not simply whether someone died.

With murder, the prosecution has to prove there was intent to kill or cause really serious harm.

Manslaughter covers situations where someone unlawfully caused a death but the legal test for murder isn’t fully met — for example loss of control, diminished responsibility, excessive self-defence, or situations where intent is less clear.

That’s why you sometimes see someone deny murder but admit manslaughter, or vice versa. A stabbing can still legally end up as manslaughter depending on what the jury believes was happening at the time.

That's an excellent summary.