This made me smile..

fillyboy said:
Himmy says there are not.

We got there in the end, good man.
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OK there are references in the qoran to killing Jews but there are plenty of references in the Jewish old testament to killing non Jews but should they be taken literally.
Examples of Jewish attitudes to women and non Jews in the old testament.

Ai. generated..

The Old Testament contains many harsh stories, including acts of extreme violence, slavery, and severe punishments. While some passages are read as historical records of brutal ancient times, others describe actions carried out or demanded by leaders and deities. [1, 2, 3, 4]

1. Extreme Violence and War
  • Genocide and Slaughter: The Israelites were commanded to completely wipe out neighboring nations, including women, children, and infants (e.g., Deuteronomy 20:16-17).
  • Slaughtering the Innocent: According to Isaiah 13:9-16, prophecies include infants being smashed to pieces before their parents' eyes.

2. Harsh Treatment of Women
  • Sex Slavery: After wiping out cities, armies were sometimes told to kill the older women and male children, but keep the virgin girls for themselves (Numbers 31:17-18).
  • The Concubine of Gibeah: In a grim tale, a Levite man threw his concubine out to an angry mob to save himself. She was raped all night and left dead on the doorstep (Judges 19).

3. Severe Punishments for Minor Offenses
  • Death Penalty for Rules: People could be put to death for working on the Sabbath (such as picking up sticks) or for cursing their parents (Exodus 31:14). [1]
  • Mauled by Bears: When a group of youths teased the prophet Elisha for being bald, he cursed them, and two bears came out of the woods and mauled 42 of the boys (2 Kings 2:23-24).

4. Slavery and Captivity
  • Laws on Slavery: The text features rules on how to treat slaves, noting that a master who beats a slave with a rod will not be punished as long as the slave survives a couple of days, because "the slave is their property" (Exodus 21:20-21). [1]
 
Vinty said:
A freedom fighter needs a mandate from the community they claim to be fighting for.
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What like run elections? :rolleyes:
Did the French resistance have a mandate from the people?
Do the Myanma freedom fighters have a mandate from the people?
Did the Chinese students, or the Iranians have a mandate from the people?
How about the Hong Kong people?
Sometimes Vinty, you say sensible things, but other times you do talk carp.

Vinty said:
The IRA never had majority support for their campaign of violence from the Nationalist community.
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They did, and they also had support from RoI, and Ex pats in USA.

Vinty said:
Their political wing Sinn Fein, only became the largest Nationalist party after the IRA ended its campaign of terrorism.
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When they've been allowed to contest elections, or even to exist as an organisation, they've received lots of support:
Sinn Féin first stood for a general election in 1918, securing a landslide victory to the UK Parliament. However, the party's ability to contest elections and exist legally has varied across regions and time periods
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Vinty said:
If there is no agreed definition of a terrorist v freedom fighter, then anyone could call themselves Freedom Fighters including Tommy Robbingstein, or the local drug dealer.
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It's not a self determined definition, it's organisations like governments who assign the label and proscribe the organisations.
I'm sure TR does see himself as some kind of Robin Hood character, but most other sane people see him for what he is, a zealous racist.
 
fillyboy said:
All Jews are Zionists.

Zion·ist
[ˈzʌɪənɪst]
noun
adjective
Zionist (noun)
Zionists (plural noun)
  1. a supporter of Zionism; a person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel:
    "the artist's parents were committed Zionists"
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There are various factions within Zionism. Just like there are various factions within Islam, Christianity, etc.
There is the simple desire for a homeland for Jews, whee they would be free of anti-Semitism.
There's also the extreme version of Zionism that want to evict all non-Jews from the Levant, and for Jews to occupy the whole region.

The extremist Zionists are in the minority, but currently that minority is supporting Netanyahu in the government, and he hs to keep them sweet to maintain his position.
It's a case of the tail wagging the dog.
 
fillyboy said:
No, I think it's all a load of *******x, but if a clown on here makes up a false claim about the contents of these works of fiction, I'll correct them.

Nothing to do with believing or not.
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They are works of fiction.
The but that quoted as a basic tenet of Islam was not from the Quran, and it was some daft prophecy about the end of the world, just like the Biblical version of Revelation.
You presented something as being a basic belief of Islam. You were being either intentionally deceitful, or gullibly repeating something you had read and believed, because it suited your confirmation bias.

You've been repeating the latter about Israel since you spent a few weeks in Israel, probably.
 
King Billy said:
They are works of fiction.
The but that quoted as a basic tenet of Islam was not from the Quran, and it was some daft prophecy about the end of the world, just like the Biblical version of Revelation.
You presented something as being a basic belief of Islam. You were being either intentionally deceitful, or gullibly repeating something you had read and believed, because it suited your confirmation bias.

You've been repeating the latter about Israel since you spent a few weeks in Israel, probably.
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It is witten. :LOL:
 
fillyboy said:
I didn't, I quoted it as evidence that Himmys statement that there were no references in the qoran with regard to killing Jews was a falsehood and a lie.

Read the thread.
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So present nthe evidence from the Quran that Muslim shave a duty to kill Jews.
You haven't so far, and you can't because it does not exist in the Quran, despite your repeated false claims.
 
Vinty said:
OK maybe there are references to killing Jews in qoran
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There aren't. The bits that filly p[osted were someone's private and personal interpretations of what they think the Quran was saying.
I've presented the genuine version of what was presented, and
a) it isn't from the Quran, and
b) it's some imagined prophecy, like Revelations in the bible, about the supposed end of the world.
 
Vinty said:
OK there are references in the qoran to killing Jews but there are plenty of references in the Jewish old testament to killing non Jews but should they be taken literally.
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There are plenty of references in the Bible of all sorts of people and things being killed.
God, apparently wiped out everyone, and al the animals on the earth, except for one chosen family, because they were being naughty.
And they had to build a bloody big boat, which came to rest on the top of a mountain.
He totally burnt other entire cities.
And we're all descendants of Noah. So none of us are descendants of a Jew. :rolleyes:
Noah was not a Jew. He lived long before Judaism or the Jewish people existed. In the biblical timeline, Noah is considered a righteous man and a common ancestor for all of humanity, while Abraham—who lived ten generations later—is recognized as the first Jew.
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So where did Abraham come from? :rolleyes:
Btw, Noah was Iraqi, Syrian and/or Turkish, and Abraham was a nomad. :rolleyes:

Filly has such inherent and devout confirmation bias, he believes what he wants to believe, without the slightest evidence to support it.
 
fillyboy said:
All Jews are Zionists.

Zion·ist
[ˈzʌɪənɪst]
noun
adjective
Zionist (noun)
Zionists (plural noun)
  1. a supporter of Zionism; a person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel:
    "the artist's parents were committed Zionists"
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Guess again Tevye.
 
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