Nigel Farage and Makerfield

[SPLINE]

Britain is having the plss taken out of it left, right and centre. Rupert Lowe is simply tackling the scams that we can see all around us every day, but that the government will do nothing about. High street money-laudering operations posing as barbers or vape shops, for example...

The government could stamp these out at a stroke. We are a sovereign nation and can do what we want. The fact that Starmer lets these businesses continue, and lets the immigrants keep coming, says that he approves of THEM and doesn't care about US.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

Britain is having the plss taken out of it left, right and centre. Rupert Lowe is simply tackling the scams that we can see all around us every day, but that the government will do nothing about. High street money-laudering operations posing as barbers or vape shops, for example...

The government could stamp these out at a stroke. We are a sovereign nation and can do what we want. The fact that Starmer lets these businesses continue, and lets the immigrants keep coming, says that he approves of THEM and doesn't care about US.

He's frightened to tackle them, as are most in authority. It's all about community cohesion, innit!

 

[ReganAndCarter]

If Burnham wins on Thursday, will the last person to leave The UK please turn the lights out.

 

[SPLINE]

Hitler moustache painted on Burnham poster...

Police launch probe after Burnham campaign posters defaced

Campaign banners were defaced in the Makerfield constituency

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

 

[SPLINE]

It helps if you are trying to deport someone without a bilateral agreement. Otherwise why waste a lot of money

The money is already being wasted by keeping them here.

We didn't allow the "illegals" here in the first place

Yes we did - in the first place, the second place and thousands of other places. And we still are doing, day after day.

 

[noseall]

The money is already being wasted by keeping them here.

And you and jimmy want to throw more away? That figures.

 

[King Billy]

UK-ICE calls. You either prove your status with documentation or they use AI to do an on-the-doorstep assessment.

How will AI do that?

Do you understand how AI works? You feed it data and it draws statistical inference from those data.

Let's try again.
Let me know at what point you think AI will be able to determine someone's Britishness. Otherwise I assume it will be the ultimate arbiter.

You knock on a door, and a young man answers the door.
You, "Are you British?"
Young man, "Yes, Why?"
You, " We're rounding up immigrants, Can you prove you're British?"
Young man, "Like how?"
You, "Some documentation to prove you're British."
Young man, "Like what?"
You, " A birth certificate or something like that."
Young Man, "I don't have it here."
You, "You live here?"
Young Man, "No, it's my Nan's house and she's in hospital. I'm just house sitting, while she's away."
You, "errr, we'll let AI decide whether you're British or not."
Young man, "How will you do that?"
You, ........... Please explain the next steps, in your own words.

If you are not provably British, in the van with you

How many people can prove they are British?

Anyone who is actually British.

Let's try again.
Do they have to prove their British citizenship, or their ethnicity?
Going back to the scenario above, how will that young man on the doorstep prove that he's a British citizen or of British descent ?
As he doesn't have any ID with him, will you really:

in the van with you, off to the nearest air- or ferry- port.

Then how will he prove his citizenship or descent while you've incarcerated him without charge or access to legal representation?

I could continue following your plans of actions, but I think I have sufficiently exposed your plans for their total lack of forward planning already.

You're a dreamer, but the sort in total contrast to John's original message:

 

[King Billy]

The government could stamp these out at a stroke.

How?
Legally?

 

[King Billy]

He's frightened to tackle them, as are most in authority. It's all about community cohesion, innit!

Perhaps you'd like to explain how asylum seekers can be prevented from reaching UK?

 

[King Billy]

Hitler moustache painted on Burnham poster...

Police launch probe after Burnham campaign posters defaced

Campaign banners were defaced in the Makerfield constituency

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

Indicative of the intellectual ages of extreme right wing supporters.

 

[James Carmichael]

And you and jimmy want to throw more away? That figures.

Shocking, isn't it, how left wingers always want to reduce matters to "cost" - it's the communist dream where every worker does their duty and is a cog in a production wheel. If the worker produces more than they cost, the party aparatchiks approve.

Shocking, isn't it, how left wingers attach no value whatsoever to humanity - factors like culture, social cohesion, our women being able to walk safely on the streets at night.

No, none of those things are important if you're a leftist. You're just an economic unit.

 

[King Billy]

Shocking, isn't it, how left wingers attach no value whatsoever to humanity -

Hypocritical ****.

If that doesn't work, we make it clear that persistent returners will be executed at the border.

 

[James Carmichael]

Let's try again.
Let me know at what point you think AI will be able to determine someone's Britishness. Otherwise I assume it will be the ultimate arbiter.

You knock on a door, and a young man answers the door.
You, "Are you British?"
Young man, "Yes, Why?"
You, " We're rounding up immigrants, Can you prove you're British?"
Young man, "Like how?"
You, "Some documentation to prove you're British."
Young man, "Like what?"
You, " A birth certificate or something like that."
Young Man, "I don't have it here."
You, "You live here?"
Young Man, "No, it's my Nan's house and she's in hospital. I'm just house sitting, while she's away."
You, "errr, we'll let AI decide whether you're British or not."
Young man, "How will you do that?"
You, ........... Please explain the next steps, in your own words.






Let's try again.
Do they have to prove their British citizenship, or their ethnicity?
Going back to the scenario above, how will that young man on the doorstep prove that he's a British citizen or of British descent ?
As he doesn't have any ID with him, will you really:

Then how will he prove his citizenship or descent while you've incarcerated him without charge or access to legal representation?

I could continue following your plans of actions, but I think I have sufficiently exposed your plans for their total lack of forward planning already.

You're a dreamer, but the sort in total contrast to John's original message:

I do like the way you've casually dropped "ethinicity" into your reply, trying to line up for your inevitable cry of "racism" at some point. Let me be super clear: Ethnicity does not come into it. If you read any of my posts on here, you will know that my main issue is with people here from the EU, regardless of any other characteristic.

We, all of us, leave a digital footprint, whether in the UK or - in the case of immigrants - in their country of origin. AI assisted techniques such as facial recognition, speech and accent recognition, can all be used to find that digital footprint and ascertain status.

I do agree there will be limited circumstances where an individual does not have a suitable digital footprint and at that stage the UK-ICE agent will need to make a risk assessment. It may be appropriate to leave the individual as is. There will be multiple and repeated sweeps so everyone will have the opportunity to prove their identity eventually - this is about asymptotically approaching 100% removal, not a one and done. Or, it may be necessary to escort them to a location where ID is available. And so on.

As you'll inevitably ask, in the above scenario I would expect ICE to do:
(1) Take photographs of the man and compare him to records on the facial recognition database.
(2) If we are in a scenario where there have been multiple previous contacts with refusal to provide proof of Britishness, remigrate.
(3) If this is a first contact scenario, escort them to a location where his documentation is available.

Unlike many on the patriotic side of politics, I am for mandatory ID cards as a means to solve this problem. I understand the concerns but, ultimately, for the greater good. So, in tandem with all of the above, I would anticipate a programme where we will all be required to apply for mandatory ID as proof of Britishness. This will come with a mandatory carry-and-provide law. So, we will meet an inflexion point (say after 6-12 months) where no provide, no stay - simple as that. All of the above are interim measures until this kicks in.

You might then ask: Why not just wait for the ID cards? It's a good question. The answer is that government IT programmes have a history of over-running and the migration crisis is URGENT. We cannot wait and Rupert will need - quite rightly - to take interim action immediately he becomes PM.

 

[blup]

We are a sovereign nation and can do what we want.

Like electing Re store?

 

[diy_fun_uk]

If mandatory ID cards come to pass, the black market in fake ones will be a nice earner for somebody.