We can afford it.

[motorbiking]

I'm always suspicious of these type of statements

Usually they're calling for something that won't happen and it makes them look good

Certainly the case for some of the names on the list.

 

[motorbiking]

If the personal tax allowance has to be frozen. So should ALL other benefits and state pensions

And if you don’t get a personal allowance you should get double pension because you paid extra.

 

[Deluks]

NOBODY should have to pay more tax. The only way to save the economy is to stop spending a fortune on benefits for people pretending to be disabled, stop immigration and make unemployed people do the jobs that are currently being done by immigrants.

All those things require investment.
Who is going to investigate the benefit cheats? Who is going to train the unemployed? Who is going to stop the immigrants?

 

[motorbiking]

There is lots of things governments do that bring little to no value. Every time we expand the public sector we make the U.K. a less competitive place to do business.

 

[ellal]

Every time we expand the public sector we make the U.K. a less competitive place to do business.

Every time public sector work is privatised/outsourced a few companies/rich individuals benefit, whilst the majority suffer financially...

Most of Europe has a higher percentage of public sector vs private, and they on the whole do a better job for their populations...

They've also worked out how stupid the UK has been over privatisation...

Because many of their publicly owned companies have invested in our private sector utilities and in effect subsidise their own utilities...

Why shouldn't UK consumers not benefit from owning our own assets instead of them being used for profit by foreign companies/governments?

 

[aveatry]

All those things require investment.
Who is going to investigate the benefit cheats?

Everyone else. The government successfully got neighbours to report each other for breaking covid rules.

Who is going to train the unemployed? Who is going to stop the immigrants?

 

[ReganAndCarter]

NOBODY should have to pay more tax. The only way to save the economy is to stop spending a fortune on benefits for people pretending to be disabled, stop immigration and make unemployed people do the jobs that are currently being done by immigrants.

Not all EU countries are like us. For eg. in Czech Republic (as is probably the case in much of central/Eastern Europe) immigration is neglibile. Instead they make maximum use of the indigenous population to fill all of the jobs. Doing a basic job will give you enough to live in a flat, pay the bills and have a bit spare. However, if you want to choose an alternative life on drink, drugs, whatever - then you also get to choose which shop doorway you sleep in tonight. It's the way it should be here - paying people who choose alternative lifestyles and inhabit a parallel existence is a disaster for the economy and society as a whole.

 

[Justin Passing]

I've set out before how it's relatively easy to keep tax down if you have enough money to bother.
Lineker's 35m doesn't mean he's in the super rich who'd gain massively by going abroad.
It takes 100 Linekers to make one Dyson

I had a look ( and paid £2.75 to Wikipedia on the way). We have 150 odd Billionaires, and 3 million ish millionaires.
Numbers are hard to pin down, but around a third of the Billi's move abroad or move assets abroad, and that number spikes when there's a tax tightening. Tightening non-dom status felt right, but apparently it cost us money.

I would suggest that of those of us with mere millions who would actually object to marginally higher taxes, many could relatively easily get more money or avoid a bit of tax here or there. I know I could. So far I haven't sought to avoid paying tax, but at around 50% marginal rate, yes it's a bit irksome. Where it's as simple as doing X instead of Y, to avoid a bit then yeah, I'm leaning that way.
It's the people already doing two jobs on near minimum wage that can't do much about their net income, and that's wrong.
Take some VAT off fuel, but for everyone? 1.2m a year. Pah! Why not load it onto reducing rates for smaller energy users?

If, say we made pensioners with net incomes of 20k pa or more pay National Insurance, that would bring in about 5Bn.
That's about 0.4% of the total (1.2T) personal tax levy, or 1.5% of social welfare and benefits ( including pensions).

Or it would allow us to increase our defence budget by 7%. Yeah I'd vote for that.

 

[Deluks]

Everyone else. The government successfully got neighbours to report each other for breaking covid rules.

You can't lock people up on the say-so of Sharon at number 49.

 

[Justin Passing]

in Czech Republic (as is probably the case in much of central/Eastern Europe) immigration is neglibile. Instead they make maximum use of the indigenous population

Bit of a language factor there I imagine

 

[Highway Man]

I would suggest that of those of us with mere millions who would actually object to marginally higher taxes,

OMG, bit of a mic drop moment there.

 

[Justin Passing]

You can't lock people up on the say-so of Sharon at number 49.

How would Sharon know? and if she was in, to find out how, she'd likely copy?

 

[ellal]

Everyone else. The government successfully got neighbours to report each other for breaking covid rules.

Interesting...

Linky Linky

Strange how many posts of yours there are attacking communism or accusing those whose views you dislike as being a communist...

And yet here you are condoning a typical mainstay tactic of a communist regime...

Namely using informants!

 

[ReganAndCarter]

Bit of a language factor there I imagine

I'm guessing if they were offering free housing, food, medical care, etc, etc, etc the young men who fancy a better life on the taxpayer would soon overcome any hurdles with the lingo. After all Sweden is also infested - and I'm guessing that not many Africans/Arabs, etc arrive there for a handout with a command of the Swedish language.

 

[Justin Passing]

OMG, bit of a mic drop moment there.

Why? I've been banging on about how to get fiwfy rich in the stockmarket trading thread for long enough!
Or did you think I was in the billions? Sorry to disappoint.

One of those bits of pensions you accumulate: