We can afford it.

Deluks said:
All those things require investment.
Who is going to investigate the benefit cheats? Who is going to train the unemployed? Who is going to stop the immigrants?
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You think that's how the government will invest our hard-earned. What planet are you on?

Burnham will be another WEF stooge and fully signed up Fabian.
 
Justin Passing said:
I've set out before how it's relatively easy to keep tax down if you have enough money to bother.
Lineker's 35m doesn't mean he's in the super rich who'd gain massively by going abroad.
It takes 100 Linekers to make one Dyson

I had a look ( and paid £2.75 to Wikipedia on the way). We have 150 odd Billionaires, and 3 million ish millionaires.
Numbers are hard to pin down, but around a third of the Billi's move abroad or move assets abroad, and that number spikes when there's a tax tightening. Tightening non-dom status felt right, but apparently it cost us money.

I would suggest that of those of us with mere millions who would actually object to marginally higher taxes, many could relatively easily get more money or avoid a bit of tax here or there. I know I could. So far I haven't sought to avoid paying tax, but at around 50% marginal rate, yes it's a bit irksome. Where it's as simple as doing X instead of Y, to avoid a bit then yeah, I'm leaning that way.
It's the people already doing two jobs on near minimum wage that can't do much about their net income, and that's wrong.
Take some VAT off fuel, but for everyone? 1.2m a year. Pah! Why not load it onto reducing rates for smaller energy users?

If, say we made pensioners with net incomes of 20k pa or more pay National Insurance, that would bring in about 5Bn.
That's about 0.4% of the total (1.2T) personal tax levy, or 1.5% of social welfare and benefits ( including pensions).

Or it would allow us to increase our defence budget by 7%. Yeah I'd vote for that.
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I mostly agree, but why should someone with a modest net income pay extra taxes when they retire, having probably paid 10x more income tax during their working life.
 
ReganAndCarter said:
I'm guessing if they were offering free housing, food, medical care, etc, etc, etc the young men who fancy a better life on the taxpayer would soon overcome any hurdles with the lingo. After all Sweden is also infested - and I'm guessing that not many Africans/Arabs, etc arrive there for a handout with a command of the Swedish language.
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All Swedes speak English though. Not so many Czechs? Bugger all when I was there a century ago. Had to speak German.
 
motorbiking said:
I mostly agree, but why should someone with a modest net income pay extra taxes when they retire, having probably paid 10x more income tax during their working life.
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Pensioners over 12700 pa already pay tax, same as everyone else. Why should we pay less?
If you move the NI threshold to 30k income, the receipts go from around 5bn to 3.
 
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Justin Passing said:
It's the people already doing two jobs on near minimum wage that can't do much about their net income, and that's wrong.
Take some VAT off fuel, but for everyone? 1.2m a year. Pah! Why not load it onto reducing rates for smaller energy users?
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What you've just done is point out the problem with means testing/evaluating when it comes to tax...

A lot of those people doing two jobs have families which means they are not necessarily smaller energy users...

Also those with long term illnesses come into the same category...

Plus trying to assess those who should qualify and those that shouldn't puts a big dent into the money available because of the attached bureaucracy...

Better to get rid of the private sector from essential services and strive for lower costs overall.
 
Justin Passing said:
Pensioners over 12700 pa already pay tax, same as everyone else. Why should we pay less?
If you move the threshold to 30k income, the receipts go from around 5bn to 3.
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The idea, is that you have qualifying years in a scheme. Once you hit the required amount, why should you keep paying.

Then consider those with very expensive care needs. If you pay for a private care home, it's 70k+ a year. Most will already be burning through their assets to pay, having to pay NI on their pension seems a sting.
 
ellal said:
What you've just done is point out the problem with means testing/evaluating when it comes to tax...

A lot of those people doing two jobs have families which means they are not necessarily smaller energy users...

Also those with long term illnesses come into the same category...

Plus trying to assess those who should qualify and those that shouldn't puts a big dent into the money available because of the attached bureaucracy...

Better to get rid of the private sector from essential services and strive for lower costs overall.
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It would preferentially benefit those who are less well off, and those who have to, "Choose between eating and staying warm". Agree?

I'd like to see some evidence that privatisation always has to put prices up. You can have rules about the finances of those privateers.
 
ellal said:
Interesting...

Linky Linky

Strange how many posts of yours there are attacking communism or accusing those whose views you dislike as being a communist...

And yet here you are condoning a typical mainstay tactic of a communist regime...

Namely using informants! :rolleyes:
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Not really - 99% of those search results are talking about just one poster in particular who actually was was one.
 
aveatry said:
Sharon just told the relevant people - its then up to them to do the rest.
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On a budget of what? Just because nosey Sharon is doing her public duty, the caseworkers and lawyers that prosecute the fraudster will want paying.
 
Deluks said:
On a budget of what? Just because nosey Sharon is doing her public duty, the caseworkers and lawyers that prosecute the fraudster will want paying.
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Then pay them. The more that get caught the less caseworkers that will be needed as the fear of getting caught will reduce the numbers fiddling.
 
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