ICE told to get the eff out
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I’m sure Google AI can help
You misunderstood. As usual.
For it to be an assault, somebody needs to feel threatened. That was the point I was making. I really can't see anyone accepting that these heavily armed agents felt threatened by somebody spitting towards them whilst they were safely in their car.
But anyway, I feel myself being dragged into a ridiculous and pointless hundred page debate. This was partly what my AI experiment was meant to avoid. Feel free to have the last word if you really believe that somebody spitting on a car in these circumstances is an assault.
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It’s all avoidable if you just accept you don’t know what you are taking about.
But it may help if you are clear about which jurisdiction you are referring to.
U.K.
spitting at police. Assault + emergency worker aggravating factor. If it hits them on the skin it’s more serious.
Attacking and damaging a vehicle with police inside. Public order + criminal damage + aggravated factor.
US.
As I’ve already said. Assault + vandalism + resisting.
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That’s just foreplay.
I'm not sure who's spitting at who, they might both be at it.
Towards a car?
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the bloke who got shot. That’s his wife. wife you can see where he gets it from.
Towards the occupants, I believe.
There was another discussion about the difference between assault and battery a few months ago.
Assault in a technical sense means putting somebody in fear that they are going to experience violence. So, I think the argument is that, by spitting on the car, Alex made the agents fear that they were about to experience violence. Obviously, they knew they were protected by the glass. That is where it gets confusing. Is the argument that the agents might have feared that the spitting was a prelude to further violence.
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Yes you mean like kicking their rear light in. That’s pretty violent.
But that violence was against the car. Are we arguing that it also put the agents in fear of violence. If they were so scared, why didn't they just drive off. It is all a bit tricky, legally.
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If you are sat in your car and someone was spitting at you at the window then proceeded to kick your rear light in. Would you feel safe and think he is only taking out his frustrations on my car and my window it isn’t me
That is what I have been arguing. It depends on context. A woman by herself probably would have felt threatened. But does the same apply to four heavily armed men in full combat gear.
