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feel free to quote me.
There is a difference between illegals and undocumented, non-citizens etc..
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There is a difference between illegals and undocumented, non-citizens etc..
I agree with that. But there is research. The US government, including the IRS, relying on that research, along with their own assessment based on the numbers of ITINs, accepts that about 50% of illegal immigrants pay income tax. The estimates we were discussing from various studies, such as by Yale University, are calculated using the same research as that used by the US government. Now, I accept that the research underpinning the methodology used by the US government could well be wrong. You might have spotted the flaws which the US government hasn't. Anything is possible.
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just estimates.
just estimates.
I have never said anything different. GDP is an estimate. Inflation is an estimate. Where there is no mechanism to count something directly, then you have to use estimates.
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1 - Employers get fines, sanctions, reputation damage and barred from contracts
2 - Employees who sign-up are more likely to get traced.
and we are meant to believe that the 5.8M holders are illegal migrants?
It doesn't stack up, particularly if you look at the requirement.
Taxpayer identification numbers (TIN) | Internal Revenue Service
Review the various taxpayer identification numbers (TIN) the IRS uses to administer tax laws. Find the TIN you need and how to get it.
The obvious reality is the vast majority will be non-residents, non-US spouses, etc etc.
Illegals and undocumented mean the same thing in the US. Anti-immigrant people say 'illegal'. Pro-immigrant people say 'undocumented'. Both are automatically non-citizens, so that is a bit of a red herring.
Sanctions on employers are actually very rare.
There is a Chinese wall between IRS and ICE. So, this is not correct.
The IRS works on the basis of there being six million illegal immigrants paying income tax, either through withholding from their wages, or through tax returns. They might be wrong. Write and tell them!
Nonsense.
Apart from the numbers posted that is. They are available as public record I believe, and is how they came to be published.
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go get them then boyo. If you actually clicked the link you keep posting, you will see they are estimates based on demographics, to justify a political aim.
Lets not pretend that 5.8M non-residents, non-US spouses, and non-citizens who have income that requires a US tax return are illegal immigrants.
As said earlier, I am a US tax payer, I am also not an illegal immigrant. There are millions just like me.
There is a clear difference:
- Illegal immigrant - enters and stays illegally, having committed an immigration offence.
- Undocumented - is someone unable to prove their right to live in the US.
Nonsense..just estimates.
All sources say the same thing in that immigrants pay BILLIONS in income tax.
TBL estimates that the agreement could lead to a 0.5% loss in federal income and payroll tax revenue on average, or $25 billion in 2026 (central range of $12-39 billion) and $313 billion ($147-479 billion) over 2026-35. However, there is considerable uncertainty around this estimate as it is hard to gauge how taxpayer behavior will adjust and the extent to which adjustment will be feasible.
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- Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2022. Most of that amount, $59.4 billion, was paid to the federal government while the remaining $37.3 billion was paid to state and local governments.
- Undocumented immigrants paid federal, state, and local taxes of $8,889 per person in 2022. In other words, for every 1 million undocumented immigrants who reside in the country, public services receive $8.9 billion in additional tax revenue.
- More than a third of the tax dollars paid by undocumented immigrants go toward payroll taxes dedicated to funding programs that these workers are barred from accessing. Undocumented immigrants paid $25.7 billion in Social Security taxes, $6.4 billion in Medicare taxes, and $1.8 billion in unemployment insurance taxes in 2022.
- At the state and local levels, slightly less than half (46 percent, or $15.1 billion) of the tax payments made by undocumented immigrants are through sales and excise taxes levied on their purchases. Most other payments are made through property taxes, such as those levied on homeowners and renters (31 percent, or $10.4 billion), or through personal and business income taxes (21 percent, or $7.0 billion).
- Six states raised more than $1 billion each in tax revenue from undocumented immigrants living within their borders. Those states are California ($8.5 billion), Texas ($4.9 billion), New York ($3.1 billion), Florida ($1.8 billion), Illinois ($1.5 billion), and New Jersey ($1.3 billion).
- In a large majority of states (40), undocumented immigrants pay higher state and local tax rates than the top 1 percent of households living within their borders.
- Income tax payments by undocumented immigrants are affected by laws that require them to pay more than otherwise similarly situated U.S. citizens. Undocumented immigrants are often barred from receiving meaningful tax credits and sometimes do not claim refunds they are owed due to lack of awareness, concern about their immigration status, or insufficient access to tax preparation assistance.
- Providing access to work authorization for undocumented immigrants would increase their tax contributions both because their wages would rise and because their rates of tax compliance would increase. Under a scenario where work authorization is provided to all current undocumented immigrants, their tax contributions would rise by $40.2 billion per year to $136.9 billion. Most of the new revenue raised in this scenario ($33.1 billion) would flow to the federal government while the remainder ($7.1 billion) would flow to states and localities.
A new study shows that undocumented immigrants paid nearly$100 billion in federal, state and local tax revenue in 2022 while many are shut out of the programs their taxes fund. The findindings run counter to anti-immigrant rhetoric that undocumented immigrants are “destroying” social programs. In 40 states, undocumented immigrants paid higher tax rates than the top 1% of the income scale in those states, according to a study released Tuesday from the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, a left-leaning, nonprofit think tank. PART OF STATES NEWSROOM 1/22/25, 12:00 PM Study says undocumented immigrants paid almost $100 billion in taxes • Alabama Reflectorhttps://alabamareflector.com/2024/08/02/study-says-undocumented-immigrants-paid-almost-100-billion-in-taxes/ 1/6The study, which uses estimates of undocumented immigrants’ tax contributions as of 2022, shows those totaled $96.7 billion that year. Study authors also found that undocumented immigrants would contribute $40.2 billion more per year in federal, state and local taxes if all of the undocumented population had access towork authorization. The Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy reasoned that this boost would come from higher wages associated with employment authorization and easier compliance with income tax laws
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This one I like the best...
- The U.S. will lose tax revenue. A 2024 report from the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy found that undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2022. Nearly $60 billion of that amount was paid to the federal government. And because undocumented immigrants do not qualify for any entitlement benefit programs, these workers’ taxes support programs like Social Security and Medicare without taking from these programs.
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Decreased tax revenue. The IRS has long assured undocumented workers that their tax information is confidential and that it is safe for them to file income tax returns. The MOU is likely to dissuade undocumented immigrants from filing taxes, leading to billions in lost revenue. Undocumented immigrants pay an estimated $90 billion in federal, state, and local taxes. It is estimated that even a one percentage point reduction of tax compliance among the overall population would cut federal revenue by $40 billion. It is worth noting that more than one third undocumented immigrants’ tax dollars go to payroll taxes dedicated to funding programs that these workers are unable to access, such as Social Security and Medicare. This reduction in taxpayer dollars would likely impact public services and shift the tax burden to other taxpayers.
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