Social Care Service

I haven't been in many, but I haven't seen private and NHS inmates in the same home.
I wouldn't live in any care home I've seen.
 
There are some very nice private care homes, that's what you are paying for, they have better facilities, grounds and rooms along with staff that are not under so much pressure, the Social services homes leave a lot to be desired, once again this is down to cost. The best way to have care is in your own home, you will pay but cheaper than both options.
 
I don’t think the NHS pays for the non-private ones. It’s the local authority that funds them.
NHS Continuing Healthcare: If you have primary health needs due to a severe disability, illness, or accident, the NHS fully funds your entire care home package—including accommodation and food. This is free and not means-tested, but it requires a strict medical assessment
 
The best way to have care is in your own home, you will pay but cheaper than both options.
It’s a bit hard when they have dementia. The MIL had it for a few years and stayed at home with help from Mrs Mottie and her sister. Started off getting her shopping, then cooking her meals, then getting ready meals delivered and when they found she was warming up meals in the microwave for 30 minutes or frozen meals in the oven for 8 minutes they got hot meals on wheels delivered and then found she was just putting them in the fridge/freezer etc but it got to the stage where she would go walkies at 4 in the morning and knock the neighbours up plus she started seeing things - people in her shed, children in her washing basket etc. we tried taking it in turns having her overnight but she would be getting up every 10 minutes throughout the night. It was exhausting for both of them so she had to go into care. The home says it doesn’t matter if she (and others) go walkabout around the home as night staff keep a watch on them and they can’t get outside. Just lately she’s become incontinent (to the point she would fill her shoes up!) so needs constant cleaning and clothe changing butbrefuses to be bathed by the staff (she will only let Mrs Mottie or her sister bathe/shower her) so there’s another problem. 24 hour care in the home (if they can’t be left alone) is much more expensive than a home. Just having one person on minimum wage 24/7 will come to over £2k a week and you will still have all the household bills and food to pay for. It’s a bit of a nightmare.
 
It’s a bit hard when they have dementia. The MIL had it for a few years and stayed at home with help from Mrs Mottie and her sister. Started off getting her shopping, then cooking her meals, then getting ready meals delivered and when they found she was warming up meals in the microwave for 30 minutes or frozen meals in the oven for 8 minutes they got hot meals on wheels delivered and then found she was just putting them in the fridge/freezer etc but it got to the stage where she would go walkies at 4 in the morning and knock the neighbours up plus she started seeing things - people in her shed, children in her washing basket etc. we tried taking it in turns having her overnight but she would be getting up every 10 minutes throughout the night. It was exhausting for both of them so she had to go into care. The home says it doesn’t matter if she (and others) go walkabout around the home as night staff keep a watch on them and they can’t get outside. Just lately she’s become incontinent (to the point she would fill her shoes up!) so needs constant cleaning and clothe changing butbrefuses to be bathed by the staff (she will only let Mrs Mottie or her sister bathe/shower her) so there’s another problem. 24 hour care in the home (if they can’t be left alone) is much more expensive than a home. Just having one person on minimum wage 24/7 will come to over £2k a week and you will still have all the household bills and food to pay for. It’s a bit of a nightmare.
A carer, a good one too not a chancer will cost aprox £1000 per week. A live in carer could be a good option in your position, Look on line for live in carer on google. Some very good ones available around this price, they usually have a day off during the week.
 
I don’t think the NHS pays for the non-private ones. It’s the local authority that funds them.
I took MBK's:
"The CMA's care homes market study found self-funders paid on average 41% more than local authority-funded residents for the same care"

as suggesting they were in the same place. Otherwise the care can't be "the same" except in gross terms.

My mother was in a private care home. It was "ok" but I wouldn't do it.

The choice of whether to stay at home or not was decided when she could no longer use the loo unaided. It took two people, even though she wasn't big. It becomes either use nappies, or go somewhere with a call button.
She couldn't walk much either, and that got worse so she was eventually bedridden.
Not for me.
You wouldn't put a dog through it, but that's another discussion.

Money really didn't come into the equation. A place costing twice as much would never have made much difference.
She did have private carers at home for a while, but the quality was lousy. There was a huge shortage, at any price.

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Mottie's MIL situation is about as grim as it gets, I think
Who would want to be kept alive when things get that bad?
Mother didn't get dementia, but she endlessly repeated the same questions she already knew the answers to, and so on. I didn't spot any enjoyment in life for her. She had a go at the easy crossword, about 2 words, then fell asleep. I was too far away to visit much, my brother had that chore. When she went I was happy to pay him a chunk for doing it - I wouldn't have done as much. She wanted to go but didn't have the means at hand. I'll always make sure I have.
 
It’s a bit hard when they have dementia. The MIL had it for a few years and stayed at home with help from Mrs Mottie and her sister. Started off getting her shopping, then cooking her meals, then getting ready meals delivered and when they found she was warming up meals in the microwave for 30 minutes or frozen meals in the oven for 8 minutes they got hot meals on wheels delivered and then found she was just putting them in the fridge/freezer etc but it got to the stage where she would go walkies at 4 in the morning and knock the neighbours up plus she started seeing things - people in her shed, children in her washing basket etc. we tried taking it in turns having her overnight but she would be getting up every 10 minutes throughout the night. It was exhausting for both of them so she had to go into care. The home says it doesn’t matter if she (and others) go walkabout around the home as night staff keep a watch on them and they can’t get outside. Just lately she’s become incontinent (to the point she would fill her shoes up!) so needs constant cleaning and clothe changing butbrefuses to be bathed by the staff (she will only let Mrs Mottie or her sister bathe/shower her) so there’s another problem. 24 hour care in the home (if they can’t be left alone) is much more expensive than a home. Just having one person on minimum wage 24/7 will come to over £2k a week and you will still have all the household bills and food to pay for. It’s a bit of a nightmare.
The big advantage of a live in carer is that your family member can remain at home and be looked after, some social services homes cannot offer the same level of comfort or care. Another way of reducing the live in care is to give the carer more time off and do a day split between family members if this is possible.
 
I do find that if and when we will need caring for either end of life or palliative care it is so expensive and the last remaining memories of you are going to be a burden. None of us wants this and it is a horrible part to the life cycle. When I returned home injured from my military service, I couldn't walk for 6 months and I know what it feels like to be a burden. I think this whole growing old and ending up in this position is a terrible thing all round. The government needs to get a grip of it and if we can fund wars and assylum seekers, we may have to look at stopping doing that and put that money into social care.
 
A carer, a good one too not a chancer will cost aprox £1000 per week. A live in carer could be a good option in your position, Look on line for live in carer on google. Some very good ones available around this price, they usually have a day off during the week.
More like £12-1500 I think, and leaves a lot of extras. You need someone to cover the extra day, and on and on. We considered it, but it would have been physically too much for one person. It wasn't long before she fell over again and needed different care.
Every case is significantly different, I think.
I wonder what they'll want to do with me. My only relatives are abroad. Better ask Claude!
I would have been a hell of a burden for my wife, so though it puts a lump in my throat, I'm glad she went first.
 
More like £12-1500 I think, and leaves a lot of extras. You need someone to cover the extra day, and on and on. We considered it, but it would have been physically too much for one person. It wasn't long before she fell over again and needed different care.
Every case is significantly different, I think.
I wonder what they'll want to do with me. My only relatives are abroad. Better ask Claude!
I would have been a hell of a burden for my wife, so though it puts a lump in my throat, I'm glad she went first.
All dependant upon areas too, my area is probably one of the cheaper parts of the country.
 
More like £12-1500 I think, and leaves a lot of extras. You need someone to cover the extra day, and on and on. We considered it, but it would have been physically too much for one person. It wasn't long before she fell over again and needed different care.
Every case is significantly different, I think.
I wonder what they'll want to do with me. My only relatives are abroad. Better ask Claude!
I would have been a hell of a burden for my wife, so though it puts a lump in my throat, I'm glad she went first.
The only big advantage of a live in carer at home is that they can die at their own home, in your own home you determine the care and what time you get up and showered etc, in a care home you follow the rules, they often quickly deteriorate and even become depressed and feel neglected. Most care homes cannot offer the level of 1 on 1 care that a home carer can give. Even if the price is the same, it is the best solution for the person that needs the care rather than just whats easier. Your average care home will have all of the residents plonked in front of a TV and sat in a chair for most of the day. Only moving to eat and go back to their room for bed.
 
Your average care home will have all of the residents plonked in front of a TV and sat in a chair for most of the day. Only moving to eat and go back to their room for bed.
We must have struck lucky with Mrs Motties one. They take them out to the seaside, do exercise classes, craft classes, organised sing-songs, trips to their sister care home, fish 'n chip nights etc etc. they have their own Facebook page and pictures of the old folks doing things are posted up every day. Mrs Mottie likes seeing what her mum has done and when she visits, she says to her mum "Oh, you went to the seaside on Tuesday, was it nice?" To which she replies "Did I?"…..
 
my mum's place is the same - lots of activities and the staff are super caring. You can also visit anytime you like without appointments, so you have a feeling they aren't putting on a show.
 
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