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Some of that is slightly going over my head, I am not an ex-Uni type I`m afraid but I do grasp some of what you two are saying too.

I answer to that one John there are certain materials I prefer and some I would never touch, I always use my favourites for cost and reliabilty , reliabilty and safety being paramount. If asked I tell the customers the brand and if they have another preference I will advise them accordingly. I...

That`s what I thought although I have not delved into it in a big way as such.

Exactly , that is one main contributing reasons I pretty much worked on supply and install only for the majority of stuff. The exception is say for instance someone wanted sockets switches light fittings of a particular type or finish I would often lend them a catologue of my preffered brands...

"ty! it's not a spur but not sure what a ring final or radial is sadly so I can't be sure about that one." I`m a bit baffled by that statement unless you have wrongley interpreted a "spur" as meaning a Fused Connection Unit, it is a very common mistake even by some electricians etc so do not...

you might have the option of adding another switch before the fire - fused or unfused - but then that starts to get a bit unwieldy so probably best avoided.

An estimate such as a quote must be clear what it includes, in its simplest form that would mean either supply & install or merely to supply or merely to install. It need not go into detail about the individual cost of every item etc (unless their is a reason by particular contract or perhaps...

"-The client is supplying materials or -The electrician is supplying materials, in which case there should be a quote on what's being supplied and what the cost is." Agreed - In my case I would usually use "Supply & Install" as one total cost or (sometimes) installation only of what the client...

I remember relativley recently (relative by my standards but ancient by some of you - maybe 1990 or a bit later), I odered what was then a speed controller for some industrial single phase fans and at that time it was quite expensive considered to the cost of said fans. Blimey I exclaimed, it...

I do not understand your question. Or maybe I do. Could you please explain your reason for that question? Because, unless I`m wrong (which I might be) the quote does not appear to make it absolutely crystal clear as to whether any estimated prices include or disclude materials at all.

Well the "quote" is for the first three items "installation" the fourth item is "Replace". My usual term for most things was "Supply & and Install ....... blah blah blah" and for other things might have been "Install .... blah blah blah, as supplied by yourselves" . In the OP it could just be...

I agree

Eric, I merely stated that the article was interesting, I did not state whether I agreed/disagreed/had not decided yet about any part of it. I will probably make some kind of decision about which parts, if any, that I might agree/disagree with or not, in due course. Yes I found it interesting...

Well your solar panel might enjoy the swing or it might be damaged or thrown out of optimal Eric lad! LOL. Bernard, thanks, that piece was a very interesting article and brought up some good "food for thought" for us to digest and consider.

Oh I see, 1/ if an RCD trips within the specified time it should be designed not to damage compenents. 2/ one would hope that the manufacturers have ascertained that a trip in excess of that time is most unilkely to damage compents (one might call it a "safe margin of allowance). 3/ An extremely...

Isn`t this the same issue?

We can only hope for the best outcome - lads if you are there come out let us know please - your forum needs you.

Yup I think we are pretty much in agreement (or not actually poles apart on that one John) the way I`d put it is :- Bonding, basically is usually a good idea, however there are quite a few instances where it can actually make a "relatively safe" situation less safe than it would be without...

Well for years I have asked folks "what did your instructions say?" and quite often the reply is "Oh I never read them" I do not say what I think otherwise I would say "You Pratt!" LOL but lots of folks have a habit of not reading them! the makers put instructions in but folks dont read em...

Flameport and Trojanhawrs make good points here and are worth considering. You could always come back from the last socket on any radial with a length of 4.0mm earthwire to mimic one advantage of a ring final of protection against accidental detacment of an earth - although some might insist on...