100ma rcd and electric shocks (view this one - stupid forum)

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Is it still possible to get electric shocks of an appliance with a 100ma rcd? (TT)
 
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Is it still possible to get electric shocks of an appliance with a 100ma rcd? (TT)

Yes, a shock of any current up to 100mA and the 100mA shock that trips the RCD could still be fatal.

You could get a 199mA shock if there was a pre-existing 99mA fault current due to a neutral to earth fault when you took the shock from the Live.
 
Yes, a xhock of any current up to 100mA and the 100mA shock that trips the RCD could still be fatal.
It's that 'common misconception' again :)

There's nothing about an RCD which limits the magnitude of a fault current (whether through a human being or anything else) - that is simply determined by Ohm's Law. All a 100mA RCD will achieve is to limit the duration of any fault/shock current of 100mA or more to an extent that (at least with a 30mA RCD) considerably reduces the risk of serious injury or death. However, with a 100mA RCD, teh degree of protection is much less, hence the risk of injury/death much more; 100 mA RCDs are not designed to protect human beings.

We should probably also add the usual caveat, that if one touches the live and neutral conductors, but is not in contact with earth, an RCD offers no protection at all.

Kind Regards, John.
 
Ok, new 2kw water installed with a FCU as spur off double socket.

TT install protected by 100 ma rcd, been working fine for a few days now getting reports of shocks of the water heater.

Where to start?
 
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Where to start?
An electric shock requires two ( or more ) points of contact on the body. So one is the water heater, what is the second one ?

If the second one is a metal simk of similar then fault may be at the sink and not at the water heater.

Use a true ground reference, the ground rod if it known to be good, and measure the voltage on the water heater where the shock is being felt. If it is below 50 volts then suspect the second point of contact and measure the voltage on that. But also investigate that 50 volts as that is not good.

It could be the floor is live due to a damaged cable and the water heater is at true ground potential ( Thermal insulation under floor can also insulate the floor from ground )
 
Ok, new 2kw water installed with a FCU as spur off double socket.
By whom?

Do the manufacturer's instructions specify a 30mA RCD?

Why doesn't the socket circuit have a 30mA RCD? That's been a requirement for at least 20 years.

How come whoever installed the water heater didn't pick up on that?

Is the socket circuit a ring final?


Where to start?
As this could literally be a matter of life and death the only place to start is to get someone in who knows how to find and fix the fault, and to get them in as a matter of great urgency.

In the interim, turn the thing off.
 

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