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I told him to fook of because he was whinging about how much he hated the forum, so the obvious thing for him to do is go elswhere.
And comparing dead fans to dead soldiers doesn't work. Fans don't expect to die at football matches. Soldiers enlist knowing the risks they may be asked to run. Most of them do so for the adventurous lifestyle and good luck to them. That doesn't make all of them heroes, some of them are absolute coonts, there's one in particular who I know whose head I'd like to hack off myself if I thought i could get away with it.
I realise that fans don't expect to die at football matches, unless they are away to Millwall. Soldiers don't expect to be mown down and beheaded on the streets of London either.
I think that you have let your dislike of an individual soldier influence your views of the armed services. One of the few things in The Uk that is still worthy of a little respect.
Still can't understand why Drummer Rigby isn't entitled to a lousy 2 mins silence - which thankfully was observed. Especially when Liverpudlians are still banging on about Hillsborough and commemorating it 24 years later.
Also, writing off the army, past and present as 'cannon fodder' is an insult to those on here who have served in the armed forces, or who have family who have. Some things are best not said.
I understand there may be other reasons for your stance.
I've got nothing against the lad who was killed and I'd like to see the killers hung. I've also (with the exception of one individual) got nothing at all against the army and think they do a fine job when called on, so do the police, the fireservice, ambulance drivers etc. etc.
I don't begrudge the lad his two minutes silence from whoever felt the need to pay their respects in that way. I didn't feel that need and object to t*ts like imamartian coming out with crap like
as if any one who didn't would somehow be remiss in their duty.
As for the army being cannon fodder, I'm sorry but that is exactly what they are and always have been, that's not derogatory it's just the way it is. Remember Blair saying we'd have to pay the blood price to support America, whose blood do you think he was talking about? his? his kids? Do me a favour.
I don't begrudge the lad his two minutes silence from whoever felt the need to pay their respects in that way. I didn't feel that need and object to t*ts like imamartian coming out with crap like
as if any one who didn't would somehow be remiss in their duty.
As for the army being cannon fodder, I'm sorry but that is exactly what they are and always have been, that's not derogatory it's just the way it is. Remember Blair saying we'd have to pay the blood price to support America, whose blood do you think he was talking about? his? his kids? Do me a favour.
I may be wrong but I do not recall the Funerals of the Two British Soldiers wearing Civvy Clothes who strayed into a Funeral Cortege in Northern Ireland and were then dragged from their car and beaten to death in front of TV Cameras having the same amount of Publicity, and the PM of the day attending their funerals, and there was no call for a two minute silence for either of them.
There must be some sort of difference being brutally murdered in broad daylight in a street by Catholics dissidents rather than Psycho Muslims
There must be some sort of difference being brutally murdered in broad daylight in a street by Catholics dissidents rather than Psycho Muslims
That was back in the days when society still had a little bit of class and decorum.
Before the internet, before papers like the sun really had their influence.
Everything now is about instant gratification and this grief culture that joe rightly speaks of is just one aspect of that.
Before the internet, before papers like the sun really had their influence.
Everything now is about instant gratification and this grief culture that joe rightly speaks of is just one aspect of that.
That was in the Glorious days of Thatcherism !!!!!! 
Yes, I agree that the army has been used and abused by treacherous politicians for their own ends. I also would say that our recent meddling in certain countries can in no way be classed as fighting for your country. This in no way reflects on those doing the fighting.
But the blokes on the ground, who have no choice where they go and who they fight, get the **** end of the stick. Dodging bullets in a sandstom in 50 degree heat for 15 grand. But we have to maintain a working army, and someone has to do it.
It's only just over 30 years that our services kicked the Agies' butts. Or should we not have fighting forces and just let anyone push us around? If we do have armies, etc - we need to remember their sacrifices, and get behind them.
But the blokes on the ground, who have no choice where they go and who they fight, get the **** end of the stick. Dodging bullets in a sandstom in 50 degree heat for 15 grand. But we have to maintain a working army, and someone has to do it.
It's only just over 30 years that our services kicked the Agies' butts. Or should we not have fighting forces and just let anyone push us around? If we do have armies, etc - we need to remember their sacrifices, and get behind them.
Getting behind them in my book means giving them the best equipment to do their jobs, good medical backup and good disability pensions for the wounded.
Not being guilt tripped into some phony two minute silence everytime one of them dies, and then forget about them till the next time.
Not being guilt tripped into some phony two minute silence everytime one of them dies, and then forget about them till the next time.
But with the Cut Backs to our Armed Forces, making troops redundant when then have only weeks to go before they receive a pension, so it means they have to wait 17 years to receive any pension money,
to lay off troops and give them and their families six months to vacate Military Quarters
to ignore those that have been wounded in conflict or suffer from PTS and leave them to their own devices.
A phoney two minute silence convinces every one the Government cares about our Troops.
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Im in two minds about us banging on about Hillsborough. We get accused a lot of taking part in Joe's grief culture. Personally I found it pointless to discuss and change the mind of outsiders about it(unless they had a really enquiring mind, foriegners like Italians and Germans have been the most interesting people who have brought this up in my experience, English usually have their mind made up)as with a lot of set in stone and stereotypical views about us, even on here with Jock a bit earlier or Petertheherbert. Fk em is my way and we will grieve on our own. BUT, the families and the campaigning has led to what we have long known all coming out, bent plod fking up and then covering their a r s e s, finally some sort of justice for the families of the dead might come. I was wrong about that, banging the drum was the right way.
The army is a interesting one these days. I was in that there TA and was collared for Iraq in '03. I was a bit naive at the time but having been there it was a good experience, not one I would have done had I known about it at the start but all the same. Also we were almost press ganged into it, we signed docs for a home defence, terrorist response to a 9/11 scenario which was shoehorned into collaring us to go over there. Generally within a few months of being there and since, sooey's cannon fodder(cracking game on the Amiga when I was a kid) comment is spot on really. It was a bag of bo ll ocks and Afghanistan too. But soldiers are made of tougher stuff, banter and army life is tough so a few herberts jabbering on like sooey on a forum wont offend anyone but the people looking to be offended, another modern craze similar to Joe's grief culture.
The army, much like the Iraqis are a mixed bunch. Some sound, caring thoughtful people and some ****z. Some careerists and some people on a jolly or just trying to get by. Its just a job to many.
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You've got a fair point Sooey, but if you were a decent sort you wouldn't throw in an insult - i'm not a tit, and there's no need for you to use it.
I wasn't ordering anyone to pay any respects, I was merely encouraging and reminding those of a mind that it was the next day.
And it would be boring and churlish if you were to start arguing and insulting me over the semantics of my reply.
Yes you are a t*t, this thread being a perfect example of your tittishness.
You make posts about whatever is the latest cause celebre, always trying too hard too paint yourself as one of the good guys.
You've always done that which is one of the reasons why you've always got up a lot of peoples noses on here.
You make posts about whatever is the latest cause celebre, always trying too hard too paint yourself as one of the good guys.
You've always done that which is one of the reasons why you've always got up a lot of peoples noses on here.
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Have I? nice one.... and I thought you lot were trying to troll me and I've wound you up !!! result.
You're the biggest troll victim on this forum, always have been, your inevitable ban due to your gradually more and more contemptible behaviour/views will see to that as you crack under the pressure. Even in the last few days there has been a noticeable downturn in your attitude.
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