AGM battery or should I have a leisure battery? (Ed.)

float charged. A typical charge controller View attachment 330286 uses PMW or MPPT charge technology,
That think is junk off of ebay from China and dose not work!

I would say for off grid living best idea is to go onto a canal boat forum, where they are use to living off grid, it is a specialist subject. once you have learnt it, we can pick your brains.
With the greatest of respect to you and your son; I found them to be a very snooty arogent bunch and worse then the caravan lot! Things like burning waste engine oil on the log burner would see there noses snoot like pinocchio. The guy with the battery shed also recycles copper wire too. I took some of his scrap 1" thick plastic tubing to make into log size picese to burn on the fire. He said you just take what you like and ignore everyone ells what they think and just burn what you need to keep warm. I know there have been a few pinocchio noses on hear about it too
 
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I have been away from the narrow boats for over 25 years so maybe out of touch, as to junk from China maybe, I have a much larger set up, which I did not think appropriate for you, maybe I am wrong?

The point I have been trying to make is the time, what ever charger used, and what ever type of lead acid used, taken to recharge the battery.

Maybe if you said a little more about use, and situation it would be easier to point you towards best route. It was a long time ago when I worked on the Falklands and with true off grid living. The Eberspacher - Webasto type diesel heater is used a lot with narrow boats, but also heritage railways, I know the Tan-y-llyn railway uses them, the one I work at uses steam, I know my trip with them on the cold turkey run where narrow gauge people get together to swap ideas etc. Their heaters stopped working well before the end of the trip, but since we use steam I did not enquire that much about how the charged the batteries up.

We use batteries for Christmas lights, but very little else. Our engines originally ran through the centre of Welshpool, so have steam turbine generators, although most no longer working, as we don't really need them any more as no longer run through the streets, same applies to the bell, whistle is all we use today.

Back in around 1976-7 I was studying auto electrics, and we had what seemed a simple home work, "Why does the voltage of a lead acid battery reduce" but when I came to look it up in the collage library I could find info on other cells, but not lead acid, no internet then, I got 9 out of 10, but it triggered an interest.

However back then we could not monitor batteries, today I have an energy meter which plugs into the mains and reports back to my PC, and being retired I had time to play, I was really surprised to see a battery recover as if some one had flicked a switch 10 days after being put on charge, the sulphur goes hard on the plates, but if the voltage is maintained it will slowly soften and the battery can often recover, but 10 days was well past the time I expected, normally I would have dumped battery well before that.

But off grid living one is hardly going to be able to leave a battery on charge that long, so what happens is each time charged a little bit more sulphur remains on the plates until the battery is useless. So under charging damages the battery and over charging damages it, And getting the balance is not easy.
 
Things like burning waste engine oil on the log burner would see there noses snoot like pinocchio.
Quite right too. So, to recap, you want to live off-grid and not be beholden to the big utility companies but basically couldn’t give a flying fùck about breaking the law and polluting the atmosphere for the rest of us? And you want us to help you?
 
Quite right too. So, to recap, you want to live off-grid and not be beholden to the big utility companies but basically couldn’t give a flying fùck about breaking the law and polluting the atmosphere for the rest of us? And you want us to help you?
I think at this point, we can assume the OP is trolling us.
 
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The point I have been trying to make is the time, what ever charger used, and what ever type of lead acid used, taken to recharge the battery.

Maybe if you said a little more about use, and situation it would be easier to point you towards best route. It was a long time ago when I worked on the Falklands and with true off grid living.
I now have a lamp post as a charging station so hopping as you say for longer charges

The Eberspacher - Webasto type diesel heater is used a lot with narrow boats, but also heritage railways, I know the Tan-y-llyn railway uses them, the one I work at uses steam, I know my trip with them on the cold turkey run where narrow gauge people get together to swap ideas etc. Their heaters stopped working well before the end of the trip, but since we use steam I did not enquire that much about how the charged the batteries up.
Steam trains used them right or diesel trains?

But off grid living one is hardly going to be able to leave a battery on charge that long, so what happens is each time charged a little bit more sulphur remains on the plates until the battery is useless. So under charging damages the battery and over charging damages it, And getting the balance is not easy.
Dose sulphur still stick to AGM plates like LAB do?
 
Quite right too. So, to recap, you want to live off-grid and not be beholden to the big utility companies but basically couldn’t give a flying fùck about breaking the law and polluting the atmosphere for the rest of us? And you want us to help you?
Mottie dear Mottie dear Motttie, you are so predictable so gulible in what you say like some one has put all the words in your mouth and the thoughts in your mind or so will do with AI and the smart grid. like our friend Harry Bloomfield, the offical naritif of a storry has spoken and that is right and everything ells is wrong with out debate

Did no one ever tell you that laws are there to enslave you and global warming is a hoax! has no one ever told you this before?
 
I now have a lamp post as a charging station so hopping as you say for longer charges


Steam trains used them right or diesel trains?


Dose sulphur still stick to AGM plates like LAB do?
Steam trains at Tan-y-llyn, here that is the problem, carnage heating only works with steam trains, if the steam train breaks down and we have to use diesel we have no heating.

Yes all lead acid have the same problem.
 
Steam trains at Tan-y-llyn, here that is the problem, carnage heating only works with steam trains, if the steam train breaks down and we have to use diesel we have no heating.

Yes all lead acid have the same problem.
You said that flooded batterys are non AGM batterys and BernardGreenWoodJunior said that flooded means sulfuric acid. So presuming AGM batterys dont get covered in sulferic acid
 
Flooded lead acid battery technology refers to the conventional-type battery where the electrolyte is a free. liquid The name 'flooded' refers to the plates being immersed in a liquid electrolyte that is 36% sulphuric acid and 64% distilled water.

In other types of lead acid batteries the electrolyte is not a free liquid but is instead is either converted to a gel or is soaked into absorbent material that separate the anode and cathode plates.

Given that you seem to enjoy winding up people perhaps you should stick to clockwork and forget about electrical power.
 
Flooded lead acid battery technology refers to the conventional-type battery where the electrolyte is a free. liquid The name 'flooded' refers to the plates being immersed in a liquid electrolyte that is 36% sulphuric acid and 64% distilled water.
I though the liquid inside a LAB was water and acid, but you say sulphuric acid. When you two say the sulphur sticks to the plates, do you mean the sulphuric acid?
 
H2SO4 is the make up of sulphuric acid, the act of releasing power splits it into H2O and PbSO4 taking the spongy lead, and putting power into the battery reverses the process. But we don't need to know the chemical reaction, just that PbSO4 goes harder the longer it is left, so leaving a battery discharged damages it.

If you really want to learn more look at this link, but I failed 'O' level chemistry back in 1968 and I now have no desire to learn it any more.
 

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