Are the border force and the RNLI losing their touch?

[Mottie]

Some scientists now think that the sea is different to an airport.

Although both are a route to the U.K. and the same rules should apply to both, wouldn’t you agree?

Okay, ignore airport and let’s say Eurostar or cross channel ferry. (The legal, paid for option, not the free RNLI one). Do the scientists think they are different?

 

[aveatry]

Seriously? No, generally that isn't what happens.

Well it should be.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

To let people into the country illigaly not knowing anything about who they are or where they've come from is absolute madness.

Agree.

We need to process and return accordingly. No other way will work.

Shouting go back and "no entry" signs on the beach just don't work.

Always going to be a struggle to stop people arriving, we have no control over it after all. But remove those that need removing, and as quickly as possible.

 

[denso13]

Well it should be.

Yes, you could make an argument for that.

 

[Si_]

As to be expected, you intentionally miss my point.

The assertion, the rhetoric, is heavily slanted to focus peoples attention on the migrants. The further assertion being the migrants are the main reason for this country's ills.

If anyone believes that they're, quite frankly, thick.

Yes they are a contributing factor, they are not however the main factor.

As I've said before, government is the cause of the country's ills. That doesn't mean it's not a good idea to call for literally the most fundamental and important task a country can undertake - that is, to secure its borders.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

As I've said before, government is the cause of the country's ills. That doesn't mean it's not a good idea to call for literally the most fundamental and important task a country can undertake - that is, to secure its borders.

Great rhetoric. Not just this government, a lot of the problem comes from the lack of systems in place when they took over the sorry mess.

How though ? To secure our borders ?

 

[pete01]

Agree.

We need to process and return accordingly. No other way will work.

Shouting go back and "no entry" signs on the beach just don't work.

Always going to be a struggle to stop people arriving, we have no control over it after all. But remove those that need removing, and as quickly as possible.

Would some sort of holding/checking facility not make sense?

Isn't that what Australia do?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Would some sort of holding/checking facility not make sense?

Isn't that what Australia do?

I don't disagree.

I've never supported the mass immigration we are having, but pointing out that we need a system, and we haven't had 1 before.

That's not just a current government issue though is it

 

[pete01]

I don't disagree.

I've never supported the mass immigration we are having, but pointing out that we need a system, and we haven't had 1 before.

That's not just a current government issue though is it

No....

But it does seem simple...ish

Knock up some holding facilities, dont let them into the country until we are happy it's safe to do so? If it isn't they go?

 

[noseall]

Shouting go back and "no entry" signs on the beach just don't work.

Didn't Fromage try something similar whereby he stood guard on a Dorset beach, armed only with his clothy tie, his dapper corduroys and his tweed jacket, instantly panicking them into jumping overboard?

 

[Odds]

Didn't Fromage try something similar whereby he stood guard on a Dorset beach, armed only with his clothy tie, his dapper corduroys and his tweed jacket, instantly panicking them into jumping overboard?

Maybe have a word with Antony Gormley to make more replicas to spread out across the beaches of Southern England. That should do the trick.

 

[MNW67]

Although both are a route to the U.K. and the same rules should apply to both, wouldn’t you agree?

Okay, ignore airport and let’s say Eurostar or cross channel ferry. (The legal, paid for option, not the free RNLI one). Do the scientists think they are different?

I was going for a Friends quote but I messed it up!

@pete01 OMG!

I think the difference is that a maritime boundary is very different. You can't have passport control in the middle of the sea or build a wall.

Also, I don't actually know what the rules are now for ferries etc. What is to stop an illegal migrant in France buying a ferry ticket to Dover. Would they need papers to get on the ferry. What would happen in Dover if they didn't have papers.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

As I've said before, government is the cause of the country's ills. That doesn't mean it's not a good idea to call for literally the most fundamental and important task a country can undertake - that is, to secure its borders.

I agree with you on both these points.

This is what frustrates me.

It's the abject failure of Labour and Tories before them, not just on immigration but a whole load of things.

 

[Mottie]

I was going for a Friends quote but I messed it up!

@pete01 OMG!

I think the difference is that a maritime boundary is very different. You can't have passport control in the middle of the sea or build a wall.

Also, I don't actually know what the rules are now for ferries etc. What is to stop an illegal migrant in France buying a ferry ticket to Dover. Would they need papers to get on the ferry. What would happen in Dover if they didn't have papers.

My point was more about the fact that unknown people with no papers from feck knows where get ferried in to the U.K. for free but but fare paying passengers from known departure points have to go through all sorts of hoops to get into the country. In that case, why bother with passport control at all?

 

[MNW67]

Would some sort of holding/checking facility not make sense?

Isn't that what Australia do?

Australia seem to have had most success by intercepting the boats at sea and towing them back to where they set off from. But they have agreements to do that with those countries. France don't agree to us returning boats. So, Australia's policies aren't that transferrable to us.