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Are the border force and the RNLI losing their touch?

Mottie said:
Are you swerving this question @MNW67 that’s not like you, you’re getting more like Notch, JohnD and ellal every day…….
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I am humbled that @Mottie even notices me :LOL::LOL:

But the reason I didn't answer is that it didn't seem relevant to the point I was making. The poster I replied to seemed to be saying that the UK was on the brink of becoming a majority Muslim country where Sharia law would be enforced. I was simply trying to point out that was a bit bonkers.
 
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MNW67 said:
I am humbled that @Mottie even notices me :LOL::LOL:

But the reason I didn't answer is that it didn't seem relevant to the point I was making. The poster I replied to seemed to be saying that the UK was on the brink of becoming a majority Muslim country where Sharia law would be enforced. I was simply trying to point out that was a bit bonkers.
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My point was that Newham and tower hamlets are well on the way to becoming majority Muslim boroughs.
 
rds60h said:
So they are "Clandestine" Illegal Migrants while on the dinghies but when the RNLI and the Border Control boats pick them up they immediately become what exactly that clearly doesn't make them not the same thing ? That is just semantic

The legal requirements are set by the ECHR which we need to leave because we are no longer part of the EU (ECHR are more interested in the right of the criminal than the rights of the victim, just as our Government have stated "the rights of the Illegal Migrants are more important than the Locals") we can leave the ECHR at any time and we could even set up our own Human Rights Bill but it should put the Rights of Victims before that of Criminals. Do you not understand that the rights of British Citizens are more important than the rights of Migrants, especially Illegal Migrants of whom we have no knowledge of who or what they are ? Laws are meant to safeguard and represent the Innocent not create loop holes for criminals and whether you like it or not Illegal Migrants are Criminals because they have entered the Country Illegally without Identity Paperwork or Passports and if they are quite happy to commit that crime what other crimes are the comfortable with committing ? It is time that you took a reality check and actually see what is happening around you and the thing that the Government, the Forces that they Command and the Sections of Media that the control are trying to hide or misappropriate. I personally cannot abide Tommy Robinson or a lot of what he has done and has stood for, but for the Police, News and Media to say that the Unite The Kingdom March, Protest or whatever you want to call it attracted a crowd of between 30,000 and 100,000 dependant upon BBC, Sky News, different Police Reports and Newspaper Reports those figures are utter bunkum, look at the aerial videos taken, the crowd were solid in the street across several miles, I have been in 100,000+ crowds at Football Cup Finals in the UK and Europe and they were miniscule in comparison, but huge crowds particularly when they included a cross section of the nationalities of this country do not fit their rhetoric and so lies are broadcast and written.
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That's a lot of word salad.

You do know I don't support people arriving by boat.

But I do recognise how people can apply for asylum, do you? Whether we are strict enough or fast enough, or accurate enough on the assesments and returns is what our Governement(s) are there to sort.

I still maintain that shouting "go back" and "no entry" signs on the beach don't work.

What is wrong with wanting a better system ?
 
denso13 said:
Why? It's never going to happen. You need to calm down.
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Look at the figures, and start looking for the posts that some of the Imams are making they are making in roads by stealth instead of violence with the objective of steadfast footholds being made through the ballot in areas that have become Muslim Majorities and then forcing Laws to be made making any objection to there ways of life being Islamophobia and therefore against the Law as it stands, once that occurs it is just one small step away from Sharia Law being enforced, there are already several Government funded Sharia Law Courts founded in Britain, the latest one having had a Job Vacancy Published and then the advert taken down after complaints. I don't need to calm down but you do need to wake up and see what is actually happening in this country, perhaps like the Politicians and High Level Police and Judiciary you don't come across these scenarios because of where you live but it is occurring in many of the towns and cities across Britain. At times Britain has needed Immigration and have accepted controlled immigration and has been successful in accepting many migrants from across the World and the majority have assimilated into the societies they have joined but if you look at migrants who have come from Muslim backgrounds even going back 2 or 3 generations many choose not to assimilate into the new society they have joined but instead form their own cultural groups living almost separately to those who live in the country they have moved to.
 
MNW67 said:
I am humbled that @Mottie even notices me :LOL::LOL:

But the reason I didn't answer is that it didn't seem relevant to the point I was making. The poster I replied to seemed to be saying that the UK was on the brink of becoming a majority Muslim country where Sharia law would be enforced. I was simply trying to point out that was a bit bonkers.
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Genuine question. Do you know much about Islam?
 
carmanmemoranda said:
That's a lot of word salad.

You do know I don't support people arriving by boat.

But I do recognise how people can apply for asylum, do you? Whether we are strict enough or fast enough, or accurate enough on the assesments and returns is what our Governement(s) are there to sort.

I still maintain that shouting "go back" and "no entry" signs on the beach don't work.

What is wrong with wanting a better system ?
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Unless we stop incentivizing the lifestyle of Illegal Migrants and make it known that we do not want them here they will continue to come in the thousands every day and many of the people of our country can no accept the the costs both financially and culturally that this Open Border situation is causing, removing ourselves from the ECHR and producing our own Human Rights Bill that favours the Innocent and Victims rather than prioritising the Criminals and Outsiders and closing our Borders to all Immigration other than Controlled Immigration and returning any Illegal Migrants that manage to arrive here straight back to where ever they have come from. Refugees fleeing persecution are expected to take refuge in the first Safe Country that they arrive in to seek Asylum but they are not obliged to do so. However, Refugees should not be crossing Continents of Safe Countries to a Country they feel they can get the most out of for nothing and as far as the EU is concerned the old Dublin Agreement and now the Asylum and Migration Management Regulations which is meant to Clarify and Simplify the Rules of the Dublin Agreement is supposed to regulate which EU Country becomes responsible for Asylum of Refugees, but they appear to be ignoring Illegal Migrants as being Refugees, but as Britain is no longer a Member of the EU those regulations should not apply to us despite the EU expecting us to abide by those Rules. Also, most true Refugee Asylum Seekers will have some sort of Identification Papers or Passports and they certainly wouldn't dump or destroy those papers before arriving here and they are much more likely to arrive here legally. It is possible to leave most countries legally even when tyranny and war exists in those countries, those that have adopted systems that refuse rights to leave are fully known to all the Governments and Ruling States throughout the World and those people would be considered without proper Identity Papers.
 
rds60h said:
Unless we stop incentivizing the lifestyle of Illegal Migrants and make it known that we do not want them here they will continue to come in the thousands every day and many of the people of our country can no accept the the costs both financially and culturally that this Open Border situation is causing, removing ourselves from the ECHR and producing our own Human Rights Bill that favours the Innocent and Victims rather than prioritising the Criminals and Outsiders and closing our Borders to all Immigration other than Controlled Immigration and returning any Illegal Migrants that manage to arrive here straight back to where ever they have come from. Refugees fleeing persecution are expected to take refuge in the first Safe Country that they arrive in to seek Asylum but they are not obliged to do so. However, Refugees should not be crossing Continents of Safe Countries to a Country they feel they can get the most out of for nothing and as far as the EU is concerned the old Dublin Agreement and now the Asylum and Migration Management Regulations which is meant to Clarify and Simplify the Rules of the Dublin Agreement is supposed to regulate which EU Country becomes responsible for Asylum of Refugees, but they appear to be ignoring Illegal Migrants as being Refugees, but as Britain is no longer a Member of the EU those regulations should not apply to us despite the EU expecting us to abide by those Rules. Also, most true Refugee Asylum Seekers will have some sort of Identification Papers or Passports and they certainly wouldn't dump or destroy those papers before arriving here and they are much more likely to arrive here legally. It is possible to leave most countries legally even when tyranny and war exists in those countries, those that have adopted systems that refuse rights to leave are fully known to all the Governments and Ruling States throughout the World and those people would be considered without proper Identity Papers.
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There’s no extra cost for grammar…..you are free to put in some more paragraphs to make your incoherent ramblings more readable
 
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