Argh cant put anything on the wall

[gasbanni]

Do you think I could put holes in people's houses to see where I'm drilling or what I'm drilling in to ?

I was talking about what I did in my house!

I do this for a living. I've told you how to do it, what do I base this on .....experience!

Gasbanni, I have had very, very, great experience of 'experienced' tradesmen and since I've said what I want to say on this thread, I'll leave JamesAsus to compete his task if he hasn't already done so. I will now open a new thread, outlining some of my experiences of 'experienced tradesmen'.

First of all I know it's what you did in your house. Plaster board is nearly always on dot and dab, these days people rarely bother with scratch coats and finishing coats.sometimes plasterboard is dot and dabbed on existing plaster sometimes on the masonry wall.
I would avoid drilling and use a screwdriver as previously described, a flat screwdriver is better as by turning it it cuts through the wall and you dont need as much force to tap it in as you would if you used a poizidrive screwdriver. I've given my method, even with a handrill as you've described I think its bit risky.

Now your a mathematician, so the graph of equal distribution applies does it not ? A few rubbish tradesmen, the vast majority of average tradesmen and a few excellent tradesmen. So you've been unlucky if your describing a new build house on an estate I'm hardly suprised at your experience. ......its not by chance it's called house bashing.......unfortunately.

 

[Shutpa]

Gasbanni wrote:

even with a handrill as you've described I think its bit risky.

I did not use a hand drill gasbanni, I used the piece that goes in the end of the drill, the drill bit (or twist drill) and to clear up the confusion here it is.

 

[Shutpa]

Gasbanni, you must have encountered the following situ in your time. I certainly have.

Using your method of mounting the object with one screw, what happens if James, having done this, and goes to do the second hole, finds that there is indeed a pipe or electrical cable behind that point in the plasterboard and a fixing is just not possible?

What is plan B? If James adopts your method and finds that he cannot make a second or perhaps even third fixing, just what would you suggest he does?

 

[gasbanni]

Gasbanni, you must have encountered the following situ in your time. I certainly have.

Using your method of mounting the object with one screw, what happens if James, having done this, and goes to do the second hole, finds that there is indeed a pipe or electrical cable behind that point in the plasterboard and a fixing is just not possible?

What is plan B? If James adopts your method and finds that he cannot make a second or perhaps even third fixing, just what would you suggest he does?

I've never had that problem, it's a plasterboard wall it's either hollow behind or there's a block wall or solid wall, if there's services behind there's plenty of good fastenings which just need the depth of the plaster board.
Now please bolo I've fitted bathrooms, shower cubicles, showers, fireplaces towel rads I could go on and on, you find a stud behind the plaster board you then use a woods crew in to it, you find one of those metal stud walls you use self tappers. You've got something really heavy to hang having tapped your driver through the wall you use to scrape at the substrate .......what does it feel and sound like ? Cable , copper or a block ? The other thing is you have to use judgement and mindfulness not to over tighten the screw or you can collapse the plasterboard especially if you're using four inch screws in to the substrate because you need a strong purchase. However if a plan B is needed experiance comes in to play. I gave the original poster the benefit of my experiance if you choose to thinks it's nonsense that's you're perogative.The hint about using one screw hanging the object and marking the second hold with a level on the article try it, marking two holes and the hanging the article doesn't allow for any errors in the object itself, so it could easily be out.

 

[gasbanni]

Gasbanni wrote:

even with a handrill as you've described I think its bit risky.

I did not use a hand drill gasbanni, I used the piece that goes in the end of the drill, the drill bit (or twist drill) and to clear up the confusion here it is.
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Tool abuse look at the tempering colours !!!!
Next time bolo use an old slotted scew driver it's much easier it has a handle to hold and it's longer, try it and post after you've done it .

 

[Shutpa]

I've never had that problem, it's a plasterboard wall it's either hollow behind or there's a block wall or solid wall, if there's services behind there's plenty of good fastenings which just need the depth of the plaster board.......you find a stud behind the plaster board you then use a woods crew in to it, you find one of those metal stud walls you use self tappers. You've got something really heavy to hang having tapped your driver through the wall you use to scrape at the substrate .......what does it feel and sound like ? Cable , copper or a block ? The other thing is you have to use judgement and mindfulness not to over tighten the screw or you can collapse the plasterboard especially if you're using four inch screws in to the substrate because you need a strong purchase. However if a plan B is needed experiance comes in to play.

10/10 gasbanni. Without a trace of sarcasm, that's what I call a comprehensive reply to my question.

 

[Himaginn]

I've never had that problem, it's a plasterboard wall it's either hollow behind or there's a block wall or solid wall, if there's services behind there's plenty of good fastenings which just need the depth of the plaster board.......you find a stud behind the plaster board you then use a woods crew in to it, you find one of those metal stud walls you use self tappers. You've got something really heavy to hang having tapped your driver through the wall you use to scrape at the substrate .......what does it feel and sound like ? Cable , copper or a block ? The other thing is you have to use judgement and mindfulness not to over tighten the screw or you can collapse the plasterboard especially if you're using four inch screws in to the substrate because you need a strong purchase. However if a plan B is needed experiance comes in to play.

10/10 gasbanni. Without a trace of sarcasm, that's what I call a comprehensive reply to my question.

Except that:
a) the OP does not have the experience and needs a system on which to rely, as an occasional DIYer.
b) the OP has stated that it's a stud wall, not dot'n dab.

 

[Brigadier]

I've never had that problem, it's a plasterboard wall it's either hollow behind or there's a block wall or solid wall, if there's services behind there's plenty of good fastenings which just need the depth of the plaster board.......you find a stud behind the plaster board you then use a woods crew in to it, you find one of those metal stud walls you use self tappers. You've got something really heavy to hang having tapped your driver through the wall you use to scrape at the substrate .......what does it feel and sound like ? Cable , copper or a block ? The other thing is you have to use judgement and mindfulness not to over tighten the screw or you can collapse the plasterboard especially if you're using four inch screws in to the substrate because you need a strong purchase. However if a plan B is needed experiance comes in to play.

10/10 gasbanni. Without a trace of sarcasm, that's what I call a comprehensive reply to my question.

Except that:
a) the OP does not have the experience and needs a system on which to rely, as an occasional DIYer.
b) the OP has stated that it's a stud wall, not dot'n dab.

In answer to:

a) if the OP cannot (by hand) push a drill bit / bradawl / pozi-drive screwdriver through a piece of plasterboard (using it as a probe, to determine in relative safety what is behind the pb), perhaps the main task is beyond their current capabilities?
b) that's not relevant; the OP knows that there is something behind the pb (there's always something behind, even if it's fresh air!); he's trying to find a safe-ish way to find out what that something is. Other follow-on suggestions re: block, dot n' dab etc, are possible solutions to apply, dependent on what the something eventually turns out to be.

 

[Himaginn]

I've never had that problem, it's a plasterboard wall it's either hollow behind or there's a block wall or solid wall, if there's services behind there's plenty of good fastenings which just need the depth of the plaster board.......you find a stud behind the plaster board you then use a woods crew in to it, you find one of those metal stud walls you use self tappers. You've got something really heavy to hang having tapped your driver through the wall you use to scrape at the substrate .......what does it feel and sound like ? Cable , copper or a block ? The other thing is you have to use judgement and mindfulness not to over tighten the screw or you can collapse the plasterboard especially if you're using four inch screws in to the substrate because you need a strong purchase. However if a plan B is needed experiance comes in to play.

10/10 gasbanni. Without a trace of sarcasm, that's what I call a comprehensive reply to my question.

Except that:
a) the OP does not have the experience and needs a system on which to rely, as an occasional DIYer.
b) the OP has stated that it's a stud wall, not dot'n dab.

In answer to:

a) if the OP cannot (by hand) push a drill bit / bradawl / pozi-drive screwdriver through a piece of plasterboard (using it as a probe, to determine in relative safety what is behind the pb), perhaps the main task is beyond their current capabilities?

He's seeking advice on extending his capabilities, and what methods/tools exist to allow him to do that.

b) that's not relevant; the OP knows that there is something behind the pb (there's always something behind, even if it's fresh air!); he's trying to find a safe-ish way to find out what that something is. Other follow-on suggestions re: block, dot n' dab etc, are possible solutions to apply, dependent on what the something eventually turns out to be.

It is relevant when then OP knows it's a stud wall. So he can obviously differentiate between stud walls, brick walls and dot 'n dab walls.

 

[Brigadier]

It is not relevant - knowing it is a stud wall, he still does not know what is behind the plasterboard (timber or metal, elec., pipework, etc). Two pieces of advice on how to find out.
Carefully probe a hole for investigation, or chop a gurt big hole in it - OP's choice, I s'pose.

 

[Shutpa]

What is relevant is what the OP said, namely:

How can i tell whats behind?

 

[Shutpa]

b) the OP has stated that it's a stud wall, not dot'n dab.

I believe that gasbanni was referring to my wall when gave advice on dot and dab.

 

[foxhole]

I got a stud detector and the area i want to drill has, according to the detector, wood, metal and an ac current. So basically its useless. What ever is behind is offering resistance so i dont want to drill harder.

Why do you think it's useless, a power cable in metal conduit , fixed to the timber stud would give that result.

 

[gasbanni]

b) the OP has stated that it's a stud wall, not dot'n dab.

I believe that gasbanni was referring to my wall when gave advice on dot and dab.

No bolo I was giving advice on any dot and dab wall, if you prefer to believe I'm talking crap I don't have a problem with that.
Not at all please proceed as you see fit, I was merely giving people the benefit of my experiance if you choose to disregard it it ok with me.

Come on cosmological constant discussion.

 

[Shutpa]

b) the OP has stated that it's a stud wall, not dot'n dab.

I believe that gasbanni was referring to my wall when gave advice on dot and dab.

No bolo I was giving advice on any dot and dab wall

My mistake but never for one moment did I

believe I'm talking crap I don't have a problem with that

and as for this:

I was merely giving people the benefit of my experiance if you choose to disregard it it ok with me

Gasbanni, I have not, even for a single moment considered disregarding your advice!

Finally, last week, a young and very clever learner, asked me if we could discuss something along the lines of:

cosmological constant

and my reply was:"Of course. Your father is paying me £XX an hour and for that reason we can discuss any topic that might appear in your (maths) exam.

But discuss maths with you? I think not. Prior to returning to participate in the forum again at the tail end of last year, I read through all of the threads that were current at the time and on the basis of the general 'tone', formed an opinion of those who had published the replies. People visiting the site but do not register, do exactly the same thing. And finding that there were those who, when they had no answer to a point raised by another member, and so turn to abuse, mockery, sarcasm,sheer stupidity and even lying was nothing new. Himaggin, although at times a little OTT, nevertheless very successfully highlights the debating shortcomings of some members here. I have made it perfectly clear that I have no wish to associate with you or your fellow travellers and if I hadn't been going awol for a while, would have been saying "It's fantastic how the ignore button works".