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I clearly said I'm not defending him
I was just pointing out your I ability to understand all the details.
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Certain members on here who are banging on about what Farage is supposed to have said 50 years ago
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I was just pointing out your I ability to understand all the details.
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Yes. But
I've looked into it now. Pretty complex. But I think I'm up to speed.
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Fekinel, what's going on
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"If true"??
How many people have to come forward with statements about his behaviour before you accept that they are true, and that there aren't dozens and dozens of people making it up?
So you don't agree with the group of Holocaust survivors who said
“As Holocaust survivors, we understand the danger of hateful words – because we have seen where such words lead.
Let us be clear: praising Hitler, mocking gas chambers, or hurling racist abuse is not banter. Not in a playground. Not anywhere."
?
But we can look at something more recent if you want.
In various appearances on Alex Jones’s talkshow, when he was in his late 40's and early 50's, not at school any more, Farage discussed themes commonly associated with an antisemitic conspiracy theory that Jewish financiers are behind a plot to replace nation states with a global government.
In six identified interviews Farage repeatedly uses words and phrases such as “globalists” and “new world order”, which regularly feature in antisemitic ideas.
In the interviews, Farage also says:
- Members of the annual Bilderberg gathering of political and business leaders are plotting a global government.
- The banking and political systems are working “hand in glove” in an attempt to disband nation states.
- “Globalists” are trying to engineer a world war as a means to introduce a worldwide government.
- Climate change is a “scam” intended to push forward this transnational government.
A spokesman for the Board of Deputies of British Jews said: “It is vital that our politicians distance themselves from conspiracy theories and conspiracy theorists, including those who trade in antisemitic tropes. We would call on Nigel Farage to repudiate these ideas and to commit not to dignify oddball nasties like Alex Jones with his presence again.”
The Community Security Trust, which monitors antisemitic sentiment, said Jones was “a notorious conspiracy theorist who should be beyond the pale for any mainstream politician”.
A spokesman said: “Furthermore, for Jones’s conspiracy-minded audience, Farage’s references to ‘globalists’ and ‘new world order’ will be taken as familiar codewords for antisemitic conspiracy theories.”
A spokesman for the Muslim Council of Britain said Farage’s close links with Jones and Infowars “demonstrates a serious lack of judgment by Mr Farage and a willingness to tolerate Islamophobia”.
The Labour MP David Lammy said the interviews showed “serious questions should be asked about Farage’s associations and networks”.
He added: “His indulgence in conspiracy theories about a ‘new world order’ should send chills down the spine of all who are aware of how these tropes have been used in the past.”
Too little.
Too late.
If, when these comments first came to light
Farage's school days scandal: The evolving story behind the racism allegations
Reform UK leader Nigel Farage faces scrutiny over alleged racist behaviour at Dulwich College. Explore the timeline of his evolving responses and the political fallout.
he'd wholeheartedly apologised, then maybe, but not now - he's blown that opportunity.
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For a start everybody should stop denying that he was, and remains, a racist antisemite.
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So is it only when hate speech becomes illegal that it is to be criticised?
In your world, racist and antisemitic abuse was not wrong in the past, and no criticism can be attached to those who perpetrated it?
When it suits Biker, it's the letter of the law that counts.
Except when it is left-leaning women, when it is just because they're left-leaning women
I watched an old episode of 'Til death us do part' starring Warren Mitchell as Alf Garnet.
Alf was arguing with his longhaired lefty layabout son-in-law Michael, they were arguing about the price of fuel.
This was around the early 70's, the time of the Oil price shock, when the Saudi Arabians quadrupled the price of oil.
Alf and his son-in-law were arguing about who was to blame for the price rises.
Alf being a right wing Tory supporter blamed the Jews, while his lefty son-in-law blamed the Arabs.
I doubt any right wing Tory would get away with blaming the Jews for anything these days but times haved changed and Tories these days fall over themselves to extoll the virtues of Israel, while pro Palestinian sentiment is the 'new anti semitism' .
However, I don't think Nigel has much to worry about, his base don't care whether he is antisemitic or not , because his views on Muslims immigration ect are more important than any alleged antisemitic tendencies.
Alf was arguing with his longhaired lefty layabout son-in-law Michael, they were arguing about the price of fuel.
This was around the early 70's, the time of the Oil price shock, when the Saudi Arabians quadrupled the price of oil.
Alf and his son-in-law were arguing about who was to blame for the price rises.
Alf being a right wing Tory supporter blamed the Jews, while his lefty son-in-law blamed the Arabs.
I doubt any right wing Tory would get away with blaming the Jews for anything these days but times haved changed and Tories these days fall over themselves to extoll the virtues of Israel, while pro Palestinian sentiment is the 'new anti semitism' .
However, I don't think Nigel has much to worry about, his base don't care whether he is antisemitic or not , because his views on Muslims immigration ect are more important than any alleged antisemitic tendencies.
"If true"??
How many people have to come forward with statements about his behaviour before you accept that they are true, and that there aren't dozens and dozens of people making it up?
So you don't agree with the group of Holocaust survivors who said
“As Holocaust survivors, we understand the danger of hateful words – because we have seen where such words lead.
Let us be clear: praising Hitler, mocking gas chambers, or hurling racist abuse is not banter. Not in a playground. Not anywhere."
?
But we can look at something more recent if you want.
In various appearances on Alex Jones’s talkshow, when he was in his late 40's and early 50's, not at school any more, Farage discussed themes commonly associated with an antisemitic conspiracy theory that Jewish financiers are behind a plot to replace nation states with a global government.
In six identified interviews Farage repeatedly uses words and phrases such as “globalists” and “new world order”, which regularly feature in antisemitic ideas.
In the interviews, Farage also says:
- Members of the annual Bilderberg gathering of political and business leaders are plotting a global government.
- The banking and political systems are working “hand in glove” in an attempt to disband nation states.
- “Globalists” are trying to engineer a world war as a means to introduce a worldwide government.
- Climate change is a “scam” intended to push forward this transnational government.
A spokesman for the Board of Deputies of British Jews said: “It is vital that our politicians distance themselves from conspiracy theories and conspiracy theorists, including those who trade in antisemitic tropes. We would call on Nigel Farage to repudiate these ideas and to commit not to dignify oddball nasties like Alex Jones with his presence again.”
The Community Security Trust, which monitors antisemitic sentiment, said Jones was “a notorious conspiracy theorist who should be beyond the pale for any mainstream politician”.
A spokesman said: “Furthermore, for Jones’s conspiracy-minded audience, Farage’s references to ‘globalists’ and ‘new world order’ will be taken as familiar codewords for antisemitic conspiracy theories.”
A spokesman for the Muslim Council of Britain said Farage’s close links with Jones and Infowars “demonstrates a serious lack of judgment by Mr Farage and a willingness to tolerate Islamophobia”.
The Labour MP David Lammy said the interviews showed “serious questions should be asked about Farage’s associations and networks”.
He added: “His indulgence in conspiracy theories about a ‘new world order’ should send chills down the spine of all who are aware of how these tropes have been used in the past.”
Too little.
Too late.
If, when these comments first came to light
Farage's school days scandal: The evolving story behind the racism allegations
Reform UK leader Nigel Farage faces scrutiny over alleged racist behaviour at Dulwich College. Explore the timeline of his evolving responses and the political fallout.britbrief.co.uk
he'd wholeheartedly apologised, then maybe, but not now - he's blown that opportunity.
Did none of the teachers think to 'tell him off' at school, maybe serve a detention. Reading some of the teachers accounts I'm surprised he wasn't expelled, and yes, it did happen in those days.
