Childcare

[cantaloup63]

Many of you are parents. So what do you think the going rate is for a child to be kept warm and safe for up to 7 hours a day, given tasks which should help them think and develop commonly agreed skills, reminded about the need to behave and cooperate socially, and be listened to if they have problems/situations upsetting them?

What would you consider a reasonable amount of expenditure?

 

[imamartian]

Many of you are parents. So what do you think the going rate is for a child to be kept warm and safe for up to 7 hours a day, given tasks which should help them think and develop commonly agreed skills, reminded about the need to behave and cooperate socially, and be listened to if they have problems/situations upsetting them?

What would you consider a reasonable amount of expenditure?

about a third of your salary?

and do you mean 365 days a year? or 250 days that i work? or about 150 days a year?

 

[cantaloup63]

Cheeky monkey, martian .

Schools get about £20 per day - I'd like anyone else to try and find a child minder who'd offer the same deal.

 

[seco services]

I'd like anyone else to try and find a child minder who'd offer the same deal.

You won't not an ofsted registered one anyway.

 

[cantaloup63]

Furthermore (as I'm on my soapbox now), of that £20 about 3/4 goes on our wages, of which we pay nigh on 7% superannuation (because we were never "allowed" to pay more than an additional 3%) and the rest goes back into the system as PAYE amongst other things. So, in effect, "I" get less than £10 to look after your child each day. Some of your children, and indeed yourselves are tiresome, worrying and stressful little tinkers which most of the working public would not tolerate but which we have to since we are "public servants".

And now, the wonderful private sector (of whom bankers are a shining example) want us to look after their deviant little children even longer, pay more into the system and work until a time closer to our moment of earlier-induced-death.

I love my job. And for the record, I and a significant number of my colleagues shan't be striking on Wednesday since, in spite of my rant, it seems entirely wrong to us to withdraw your children from what we have to offer and simultaneously making your day harder to bear especially in these times of financial strife.

 

[Blasphemous]

Is this childcare as in before/after school?

 

[seco services]

shan't be striking on Wednesday since, in spite of my rant, it seems entirely wrong to us to withdraw your children from what we have to offer and simultaneously making your day harder to bear especially in these times of financial strife.

Thats a laugh isn't it.

But you don't mind when you shut the school cause of snow.
Teacher training.

 

[Blasphemous]

shan't be striking on Wednesday since, in spite of my rant, it seems entirely wrong to us to withdraw your children from what we have to offer and simultaneously making your day harder to bear especially in these times of financial strife.

Thats a laugh isn't it.

But you don't mind when you shut the school cause of snow.
Teacher training.

'He' doesn't shut the school, the Head and Local Authority make that decision. As for Teacher Training, I'll give ya that one.

 

[seco services]

He' doesn't shut the school, the Head and Local Authority make that decision. As for Teacher Training, I'll give ya that one.

I agree with you but they don't mind the time off, then got the front to moan about getting a pay rise.

 

[imamartian]

I'm not feeling your pain Cant, because for me, the government should provide an educational infrastructure.... paid for by some of my many taxes... you get a salary around the £30k - £50k bracket, probably from the tax i pay !!! so this £20 per child thing is lost on me...

As for you plight, you get a bl00dy good salary for a 9 - 3 day (as opposed to my 9 - 5), and with how many weeks off? i've 'bought' 2 extra weeks to get me to 6 weeks per year.... whereas you get that in the summer plus all manner of other half terms... and don't get me on inset days....

And then my biggest complaint of all..... i get a letter saying my little Johnny only managed 94.3% attendance, this year.....

oh and then my other even bigger rant.. i have to get permission from the head to take my kid on holiday, and possibly fined money !!! if it's in term time... but if it's in the holidays i have to pay a 60% premium on my hotel/plane/holiday... what a fookin rip off !!!

 

[LastMagicBean]

I love my job. And for the record, I and a significant number of my colleagues shan't be striking on Wednesday since, in spite of my rant, it seems entirely wrong to us to withdraw your children from what we have to offer and simultaneously making your day harder to bear

Nope.
That's like a Baker saying .......... You enjoy my buns everyday, I thoroughly enjoy baking them, but you don't pay enough for them, so i'm closed.

Madness.

 

[cantaloup63]

Teacher training ain't owt to do with me - it's a contractual obligation to make up an extra 5 days per annum at work (think it was Kenneth Baker who introduced these back in the 1980's). Children attend for 190 days pa, teachers for 195. I'm not sure what the situation was prior to this, but I'd expect that a hard nosed Tory Thatcher government would have taken 5 days holidays off "us". In which case there is no difference to what children have always had

 

[Blasphemous]

To be fair seco, most of us moan about not earning enough and most enjoy time off. I've been badgered by my family (and my son's school), to go into teaching (I spend a lot of time there helping out), but I really don't think it's for me. Yes I'd love the holidays but I just can't spell!

 

[cantaloup63]

I agree with you but they don't mind the time off, then got the front to moan about getting a pay rise.

Actually I do mind the time off - we're all up against the clock to help students pass exams and an hour just before the mock's is highly disconcerting as is an hour lost in preparation for AS levels.

We're reasonably well paid for what we do, but who wouldn't want more? Don't tar us with the same brush as yourself Seco - we ain't all selfish like you

 

[cantaloup63]

I love my job. And for the record, I and a significant number of my colleagues shan't be striking on Wednesday since, in spite of my rant, it seems entirely wrong to us to withdraw your children from what we have to offer and simultaneously making your day harder to bear

Nope.
That's like a Baker saying .......... You enjoy my buns everyday, I thoroughly enjoy baking them, but you don't pay enough for them, so i'm closed.

Madness.

Unfortunately we have to abide by the decision of our senior managers who have decided that since we cannot ensure the safety of the children, we cannot open for business. Strange how the top earners in our professions seem to be the first to vote for a day off and then subsequently rollock us for not producing the goods. I'll be spending the day in work marking and preparing materials for lessons, having had set work for the classes that I would have taught.