"Dont Take The P "campaign video

[333rocky333]

http://www.donttakethep.co.uk/

 

[JohnnyG]

Probably just my age but Linda Barker could sell me anything.

Edit: The NICEIC spokesman is Tony Cable apparently, genius.

 

[martinxxxxxx]

I like the way that the link to find an electrician in your area only shows electricians registered with them.

If you are registered with another body as I am, you should kick up a fuss as potential customers, will think, could think that you are acting outside of the law as their link only list electricians registered with them. This is very misleading. and I for one am annoyed.

It is very suspicious that they have not used the competent person link as the ad is all about domestic work they should have done. Instead they list all type of contractor including industrial, an area amongst others not covered by part p

If you are in their scheme then let us know if you get calls off the back of it, if you are not and you get queries regarding your fitness to be an electrician then post them. I think it is defamatory to part p registered electricians that are not in their scheme.

Otherwise a good idea

Martin

 

[bloxy]

Remember that the P stands for Prescott!

Would you take any notice of what that pr*t said?

Part P is a tax on home owners, is unenforceable, and does nothing to curb the cowboy unregistered claiming to be electricians out there whilst adding hugely to the cost and complexity of the activities of the responsible and diligent professionals.

This government has just about screwed every trade and profession, lined the pockets of the quangos and pointless organisations that then administer it's daft rules whilst increasing cost and reducing choice and freedom.

I consider myself a competent DIY'r I take advice I read around the subject and I do what I feel capable of, I have a voltage and continuity tester, I have a multimeter, I have a socket tester, I know how to use them. If I need more expertise (like the new CU I need which requires insulation tests, disconnect times and Zs measuring/calculating etc. to ensure it's safe) then I call a pro.

Do I care about part P? Do I call the council if I want a socket in the kitchen or a light in the bathroom? Do I heck! It's my house! If I can add a 1000 spurs without notifying why should the location make any difference?

I don't need my life micro-managed by this government.

This law is an Ass, I've never ridden one and I ain't going to be taken for a ride by this one.

Rant over

 

[Stoday]

Watching that video makes you wonder why people wern't dropping dead like flies before the era of part P.

 

[bernardgreen]

Circuit-breaker or RCD
A device capable of making, carrying and breaking normal load currents and also making and automatically breaking, under pre-determined conditions, abnormal currents such as short-circuit currents. It is usually required to operate infrequently although some types are suitable for frequent operation.

Doesn't an MCB protect against abnormal currents such as short-circuit currents.

The quote was from

http://www.findanelectrician.info/jargon-buster.asp

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Surely you don't expect truth and accuracy from NICEIC?

This is the organisation, remember, which prostituted themselves by inventing the Domestic Installer qualification.

This is the organisation, remember, which is using irrelevant statistics on electrical incidents which include faults with portable appliances and their cords, and other areas not within the remit of Part P, to grossly exaggerate the size of the problem.

This is the organisation, remember, which has peddled, and still is peddling, outright lies:

The law requires an electrician registered with a Government-approved scheme, such as NICEIC to carry out most electrical work in the home, and once the work is finished, provide you with Part P approval.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Probably just my age but Linda Barker could sell me anything.

Ah - but would you take the P from her?

 

[ericmark]

Circuit-breaker or RCD
A device capable of making, carrying and breaking normal load currents and also making and automatically breaking, under pre-determined conditions, abnormal currents such as short-circuit currents. It is usually required to operate infrequently although some types are suitable for frequent operation.

Doesn't an MCB protect against abnormal currents such as short-circuit currents.

The quote was from

http://www.findanelectrician.info/jargon-buster.asp[/QUOTE]
Both

and

are circuit breakers but only the latter is an MCB also a RCD may not be a circuit breaker it may be a remote activation device for a circuit breaker.

You will note phrase "Automatic Disconnection Device" is often used to include fuse and MCB but it would also include some RCD devices.

So "Circuit-breaker" will also include switches and isolators and we need to be very careful with the English of electrics as although most people know what we mean it is so easy for mistakes to be made.

The phrase "Competent Person" is very confusing as the BS 7671:2008 definition does not have any connection to Part P and the "Competent Persons scheme" has nothing to do with being a "Competent Person" I try to refer to "Registered Electrician" but even that has some ambiguity.

This English of the trade has always been a problem. History normally leads us to the correct word. A lamp was fitted to a spigot on the carriage and as we went to horseless carriage the wick was replaced with a bulbous glass envelope with an element inside called a bulb. A lamp referred to all fitted onto the spigot. However I have met many electricians whole call a lamp a fitting and a bulb a lamp. I guess because some one realised a florescent tube is not bulbous. But manufactures and Joe public refer to bulbs and calling a bulb a lamp is jargon for jargons sake and rather silly.

However the fact remains that many items are named is such a way that confusion is all too common. One would hope moulded case circuit breakers would not be found in most domestic builds so I think the "Fuse/MCB" is likely the best reference not to cause confusion. And on a DIY site like this I think the "Compact Luminaire" should be called a "bulb".

As to Part P it has worked well with the self employed to give some recognisable credentials to those who are to standard. But it does not licence the man but the firm so large firms can still send any one to do electrical work and the demarcation between what needs notification and what can be done without, means that there will always be problems. It needed something like the driving licence where it is government issued not through clubs and point system so removed in same way as driving licence with test like driving licence.

 

[Paul_C]

This is the organisation, remember, which has peddled, and still is peddling, outright lies:

The law requires an electrician registered with a Government-approved scheme, such as NICEIC to carry out most electrical work in the home, and once the work is finished, provide you with Part P approval.

And continue reading:

DIY electrics must never be implemented in high risk locations such as kitchens, bathrooms and gardens.

Sounds more like an attempt to drum up business than anything else, since it's certainly not a statement of the law.

What work can I do by myself?
• The requirements of Part P apply to most electrical work in a home, however there are certain relaxations that apply for minor work. Minor Work is electrical work that does not involve:

1. The addition of a new circuit.
2. Requiring the help of a professional and registered electrician.
3. Requiring notification to the building control office.

What is the average person supposed to make of that mish-mash of statements? Again, certainly not a correct and full statement of the rules.

All electrical work must comply with BS 7671 of the Wiring Regulations.

BS7671 of the Wiring Regulations? But false again anyway......

 

[Paul_C]

Part P is a tax on home owners, is unenforceable, and does nothing to curb the cowboy unregistered claiming to be electricians out there whilst adding hugely to the cost and complexity of the activities of the responsible and diligent professionals.

This government has just about screwed every trade and profession, lined the pockets of the quangos and pointless organisations that then administer it's daft rules whilst increasing cost and reducing choice and freedom. {.....}

Do I care about part P? Do I call the council if I want a socket in the kitchen or a light in the bathroom? Do I heck! It's my house! If I can add a 1000 spurs without notifying why should the location make any difference?

I don't need my life micro-managed by this government.

Well said, Sir. Agree entirely.

 

[mattylad]

What is Part P?
• Part P is an electrical safety law within the Building Regulations and was introduced by the Government on 1st January 2005

One for BAS to pick on.....

 

[ban-all-sheds]

That is right, unless you want to argue that "introduced" should mean "laid before Parliament" rather than "came into force"....

 

[radweld]

Each year, unsafe electrics cause 12,500 house fires, 750 serious injuries and 10 deaths

Does anybody know how this compares to the situation prior to the part P regime? Or how many of these injuries were caused by fixed wiring, rather than overloaded sockets or frayed flex?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

IIRC they are the same figures used to justify Part P, and they include non-fixed wiring, faults with appliances, misuse of appliances, the dubious data resulting from fire investigators putting "electrical" as the cause on the report because they don't like to put "unknown"...