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Final proof, The labour party are anti semitic

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  1. mwatsonxx

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    I observed corbins speech at their conference, realising his initials are JC he seems to have taken on the roll of Jesus Christ he's going to solve every problem in the world. But, about 3/4 of the way through his monologue he confirmed continuing support for Palestine. This caused an incredible increase in the volume of cheering from the jew haters.

    If anyone doesn't believe have a look on iplayer, it is unbelieveable
     
  2. StephenStephen

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    Oh dear, are you really confusing support for Palestine with anti semitism? How on earth does your brain cope with the peace initiatives made up of Israelis and Palestinians working together? Do the words of Israelis opposed to the occupation of Palestine make bewildered clots of blood come out of your ears? (I shouldn't even mention those Palestinians who are opposed to violence towards Israelis - your head might just explode.)
     
  3. I'm not a labour fan but really can't see where this anti Jew story comes from? Maybe there is a couple of iffys in the labour party but trying to make out Corbyn as some kind of racist doesn't sit right with me.
     
  4. mwatsonxx

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    Of course, Hamas the majority party have stated israel and its people should not exist and should be destroyed.

    Irrelevant see above.

    Give examples, your extremely aggressive responses speak a thousand words, labourparty member by any chance?
     
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  5. The Israeli Palestinian conflcit is a problem made by both sides, and yet there are also those on both sides who would work together quite happily. There are Palestinians who call for the destruction of Isreal, and continual bombarments of Isreali settlements, and as a result, there are reprisals from Isreal, but it has to be said that Israel have no right to be pushing their settlements in to Palestinian lands, nor for evicting Palestinians from areas they want to live in.

    The Labour party has a habit of supporting the underdog, in this case the Palestinians, but they seem to think it's okay to demonise Isreal, and by association anyone Jewish. Tom Watson was on TV a couple of days ago, and had to admit that when the anit Semetism in the Labour party conference reached a point of being discussed in the news, then things needed sorting out.

    You need to read the news Mitch, the Bigotry and anti semetism at the Labour party conference has reached apoplectic proportions. There are have been Holocaust deniers speaking at the conference, call for the Jewish groups within the part to be ejected, and that's been the nice ones.

    This was taken from a Guardian Article, so that says a lot.

    Meanwhile, Livingstone was on the radio cheerfully saying that it was perfectly possible to say offensive things about Jews without being anti-Jewish. He too has long argued that this whole business is bogus and confected, and that Labour does not have any kind of antisemitism problem.

    And yet the evidence was there in Brighton if you were willing to see it. There were the Labour party Marxists handing out a paper that repeated Livingstone’s toxic claim of ideological solidarity between the Nazis and those German Jews who sought a Jewish homeland.

    There’s the testimony of John Cryer MP, who sits on Labour’s disputes panel. He says some of the anti-Jewish tweets and Facebook posts he has seen from Labour members are “redolent of the 1930s”.

    There were loud calls for the expulsion of Jewish groups, one of which has been part of the Labour movement for a century. Hardly a surprise that some Jewish activists turned away from the conference, describing an atmosphere that felt too hostile to endure.
     
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  6. StephenStephen

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    Frankly I think Doggit's post puts us both to shame. I do apologise for my tone.
    Much of the problem arises when we lump things together and demonise them. For example when Labour activists lump together the policies of the Israeli state with the people of Israel, or with Jewish organisations more widely, or when you lump together Palestine and the policies of the majority party there, or lump together people using an aggressive tone and members of the Labour party, or when I lump 'together people opposed to support for the policies of the authorities in Palestine' with 'people hoodwinked by the conflation of support for Palestinians with anti-semitism'. That's definitely the longest sentence I'm going to write this month!

    Of course the struggles to resolve this tragic particular conflict have a particular resonance in this country, as I'm led to believe (could be wrong of course) that the UK government's actions way back were instrumental in creating the original conditions for the conflict.
    Ho hum
     
  7. Now if I've managed to understand your long sentences Stephen, then I'd have to disagree with you; because just as they call the Tories the Nasty party, they are the Angry party. They hate anyone that does better than them, they want to destroy the capitalist system, and they want to destroy the oppressors of the underdogs, and feel it's their right and duty to do so. And this attitude is concentrated in those at the top of the party, and those who attend the conference - most labour supporters are fine, but I read a report where they suspect about 61% of them hold anti-Semitic views, without realising it. Ken Livingstones right in some ways when he says it's okay to talk about what the Israelis do without being a Jew Hater, but when labour members want to expel the Jewish organisations, they don't realise that their dislike has turned to anger and hatred.

    The UK helped create the state of Israel, but I think it was a way of resolving the Jewish terrorists who wanted their own state, in the same way that Northern Ireland was finally resolved because they could never beat the IRA. The area of Israel and Palestine has always been home to the Jews and the Arabs, but the Arabs had held it for so long, that they felt it was theirs, but as more and more Jews now live in Israel (43% of the worlds Jews) they need to expand, and the only way to do it, is into the Palestinian territories.

    Now I will admit that I don't like the Jews; they believe they are Gods chosen children, and they tend to look down on other religions/people, but I give them the right to be who they are. On a karmic level, I suspect that the Palestinians that are being oppressed in the Gazza strip, are the reincarnated Nazis that mistreated the Jews in the prison camps, and are experiencing how they treated the Jewish prisoners. What goes around, comes around, if not in this life, then the next.
     
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    Jewish people are Jewish because that is their religion, not their race.
    As a race they are identical to Arabs so they were both there first at the same time.

    It is just the age old conflict of pointless religions.
     
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    Here it is . FF to 1.03.00 to get a feel for the applause. the palestine comment is at 1.05.24.

    I noticed after the palestine comment, he mentions the "israeli/palestine conflict" and this gets a more muted applause. Seems they get upset at the word 'israeli' as if they wished it didn't exist ie the word, the country and the people.
     
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    Being against Israel's policy is not anti-semitic.

    Were there perhaps other cheers and standing ovations that could posibly be construed as anti-christian?
     
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    are you jewish yourself watson ?
     
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    Jews are defined both by their ethnicity and religion so you can say Race relations Act protects jews through their ethnicity - this also applies to Sikhs.
     
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    an interesting read - article by Jon Lansman, and Labour Party activist:
    https://www.thejc.com/lifestyle/interviews/ex-kibbutznik-who-is-corbyn-s-left-hand-man-1.58391

    "Yes, of course the vast majority of British Jews are supportive of Israel as a Jewish state - and actually so is Jeremy - but they are far from supportive of all aspects of what is currently happening there. The Labour Party has to be concerned with a broad view, and the pursuit of peace.

    "I don't think you can fault Jeremy on his concern for peace. He is not a warmonger, he doesn't want killing and death.

    "I think Jews in Britain want peace too. I think Jeremy's message of fairness for the Palestinians is not something that will be rejected by the Jewish community."

    Seems to me that much of the accusations are in response to labour's rise, and a fear of the left. Only the other day a tory friend described Corbyn as a madman - a sure sign Tories are getting worried!

    And don't forget Obaid Khan, and how the media (Mail) treated Ed Milliband when he was leader of labour. Clearly there are issues in both parties. Tories are more likely to show racist tendencies too, according to research out today - "33% of Conservative party supporters admitting racial prejudice compared to 18% of Labour supporters." - https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/leave-voters-admit-they-are-racist-in-new-research-a3646421.html

    If there is one thing we can be sure of in politics, it's people slinging mud at each other. It's no longer about showing why your party it is the best to run the country, it's about defaming and mocking the opposition to the point that the electorate believe them to be evil and incompetent.

    Also worth reading: https://jewsforjeremy.org/
     
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    They may very well be, but who decided that and does it change the facts?
     
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