Frank Field, Tom Watson in the sights

[gasbanni]

Frank Field voted re Brexit in line with his constituents.

Tom Watson has said the anti semetisim in labour needs addressing.

Both are now under attack from momentum........what a vicious militant bunch they are.
They're so up themselves they cannot see they causing the death knell of the labour party.


https://inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/deselecting-frank-field-disaster-britains-poorest/

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...n-mps-who-voted-with-tories-brexit-trade-bill


Parker from the guardian says this "Parker said their actions were a “betrayal of millions of Labour voters” and added: “Labour is once again a socialist party that works for the many, not the few and there is no room for Labour MPs who side with the reactionary Tory establishment.”

What a stupid emotive mantra " reactionary Tory establishment"..........the fact that Field has voted mirroring his constituents seems to have escaped their notice .......

This momentum lot are a vicious bunch of self important twonks......

 

[EFLImpudence]

On the other hand:

"A member of Labour's National Policy Forum has been suspended from the party over an alleged anti-Semitic post.
George McManus said deputy leader Tom Watson had received "£50,000+ from Jewish donors," adding: "At least Judas only got 30 pieces of silver".
Labour has launched an investigation after Labour MP Luciana Berger submitted a formal complaint about his "anti-Semitic" comments."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45086365

How is that anti-anything other than anti-Tom Watson?

 

[gasbanni]

On the other hand:

"A member of Labour's National Policy Forum has been suspended from the party over an alleged anti-Semitic post.
George McManus said deputy leader Tom Watson had received "£50,000+ from Jewish donors," adding: "At least Judas only got 30 pieces of silver".
Labour has launched an investigation after Labour MP Luciana Berger submitted a formal complaint about his "anti-Semitic" comments."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45086365

How is that anti-anything other than anti-Tom Watson?

My dear Chap I'm not following the point you're making ?

Viz https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...nwatson-corbyn-video-ian-austin-a8479081.html

 

[EFLImpudence]

McManus is implying that Watson is complaining - that Corbyn is not doing enough against anti-semitism[sic] - because he (Watson) has received money from Jewish sources.

McManus is therefore automatically accused of anti-semitism[sic] and therefore the dreaded racism.
Is this fair and correct?


To accuse someone of being bribed does not normally mean one is accused of being anti the religion of the briber.

 

[vinty]

If McManus is correct in his claim that Watson recieved money fromJewish sources then I can't see what the problem is.
If Watson has received funding from Jewish or any other sources he should be honest about it.
There are vested interests who are using the anti semitism slur in order to advance their own agendas which may not necessarily be in the interests of the UK.

 

[Notch7]

There are vested interests who are using the anti semitism slur in order to advance their own agendas which may not necessarily be in the interests of the UK.

A large element of the anti semitism complaints seem to be coming from within the labour party, possibly to get rid of Corbyn....which would be in the interests of the UK , shame it couldnt get rid of May as well.

I dont see anti semitism is being used a slur by Margaret Hodge.

 

[Yafo]

A large element of the anti semitism complaints seem to be coming from within the labour party, possibly to get rid of Corbyn....which would be in the interests of the UK , shame it couldnt get rid of May as well.

I dont see anti semitism is being used a slur by Margaret Hodge.

You don't see any anti semitism complaints from powerful factions outside of the labour party ? No ulterior motives ?

You see it as an in party fight ? You are aware Corbyn has support of lots of Jewish people ? That doesn't make him right, or wrong, but it does at least suggest it is a lot deeper than a labour party fight.

 

[vinty]

No one in their right mind would support a Labour government led by Corbyn.
However there are elements who are pushing the antisemitism trope in order to shape the Labour party policy on Israel, these elements have no interest in domestic UK politics.
What we have at the moment is a situation were a major political party will have its leader chosen not by the people but by outside forces.
If Corbyn did a 360 degree turn and decided to adopt a pro Israel policy most of these claims of anti semitism would disappear.

 

[Notch7]

You don't see any anti semitism complaints from powerful factions outside of the labour party ? No ulterior motives ?

You see it as an in party fight ? You are aware Corbyn has support of lots of Jewish people ? That doesn't make him right, or wrong, but it does at least suggest it is a lot deeper than a labour party fight.

More leading questions from Yafo, who hasn't read what I said

Is it outside powerful factions which prevent the Labour party from accepting IHRA anti semitism definition?

 

[vinty]

You don't see any anti semitism complaints from powerful factions outside of the labour party ? No ulterior motives ?

You see it as an in party fight ? You are aware Corbyn has support of lots of Jewish people ? That doesn't make him right, or wrong, but it does at least suggest it is a lot deeper than a labour party fight.

I think it is a case of different groups with different motives but with the common aim of getting rid of Corbyn.
The Blairites in the Labour party see Corbyn as a threat to their privileges, the Tories want rid of him because he has turned from being a joke to being a credible threat, the Pro Israel lobby want rid of him because if elected his administration may not be as pliable as the Blair administration was.
Aided and abetted by the so called MSM disseminating the anti semitism myth, those who want rid of Corbyn hope he will eventually be ground down and replaced.

 

[gasbanni]

I dont see anti semitism is being used a slur by Margaret Hodge.

You don't ??????

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...emy-corbyn-labour-antisemitism-margaret-hodge

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...margaret-hodge-court-jewish-row-a8476561.html

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...on-against-margaret-hodge-in-antisemitism-row

Interestingly your use of the word slur in itself is biased it has a negative connotation....had you said accusation that's fairly neutral but slur imparts some disdain for the person making the accusation.

The rows in labour are rather strange about antisemitism ......We know corbin has views expressing the state of Israel shouldn't exist and perhaps historically he may have a point. However the nation state of Israel now does exist and that will never change. I can't imagine the friction between Israel and Palastine ever been resolved.

 

[Yafo]

More leading questions from Yafo, who hasn't read what I said

Is it outside powerful factions which prevent the Labour party from accepting IHRA anti semitism definition?

I read what you wrote, and I thought it missed a pertinent point.

Very few things are as black and white as they are portrayed. I think that is certainly the case with Corbyn and the argument.

Have you listened to both sides of the argument in the labour party over the ihra definitions?

 

[EFLImpudence]

Is it outside powerful factions which prevent the Labour party from accepting IHRA anti semitism definition?

It could be logic, common sense and correct semantics.

The IHRA definition is clearly wrong but questioning it is itself greeted with cries of anti-semitism[sic] and therefore (because the definition is wrong) racism.

 

[SirGalahad]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ed-against-mps-set-up-political-groups-labour

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...MP-s-aide-smear-Deputy-Foreign-Secretary.html

I think that is a bigger concern Gasboy when a foreign government is actively undermining our mps through dirty tricks campaigns.

 

[Notch7]

I think that is a bigger concern Gasboy when a foreign government is actively undermining our mps through dirty tricks campaigns

I dont see how that explains the high level of complaining that is coming from within Labour.

Is Margaret Hodge in cahoots with a foreign government.

I accept Jeremy Corbyn is not rasict or anti jew, but he has shared platforms with those that compare Israel to Nazi Germany and those holocaust deniers.

There maybe foreign government involvement but theyve added to the issue not created it from scratch.