Geberit vs Villeroy & Boch - 80mm concealed cisterns

[SJRSJR]

Hello

Just wondering if anyone has any experience of fitting or having an 80mm slimline concealed toilet cistern for a floor standing back-to-wall toilet.

I know the risks of concealed cisterns so I'm trying to fit a decent one and I've whittled it down to Geberit Sigma 80 or Villeroy & Boch ViConnect. I've seen online videos of them, they both seem a bit fiddly, but that's what you get with such small access panels. So I'm wondering if anyone has any direct experience of them. Thanks

 

[opps]

I had a Gerberit one, which I fitted.

I liked the fact that being slimline, it meant that the push plate was higher than the loo seat when in the open position.

It was trouble free for about 12-15 years and then I noticed that water was constantly running (slowly) into the pan. Youtube suggested that the lower washer needed replacing. I removed the face plate and was pleased to see that they had two different sized washers on the reverse of the flush plate.

The same video showed me how to twist and remove the flush mechanism and attach the new washer. It took about 15 mins (given that it was the first time that I had done it).

I would be happy to go with Gerberit, VB or Grohe. Decent brands and likely to hold stock for years.

I am not a plumber. Others might be able to recommend alternatives.

 

[SJRSJR]

Thanks opps.

I hadn't come across the Grohe one but I have now.

If they're all much of a muchness I guess it'll come down to the faceplate, but your spare washer story puts Geberit in pole position. Hope the bean counters haven't since decided to cut costs.

 

[opps]

Thanks opps.

I hadn't come across the Grohe one but I have now.

If they're all much of a muchness I guess it'll come down to the faceplate, but your spare washer story puts Geberit in pole position. Hope the bean counters haven't since decided to cut costs.

It was such a relief at the time. Two 20p components attached to the back of the plate. It saved me hours of trying to identify the exact model.

Getting back to the slimline models... I have had customers who ended up with less tall, but deeper units, they got annoyed that they had to lower the seat lid to get to the buttons.

My Gerberit had a wall hung Jacuzzi branded pan. With the lid up, there was about 6" to spare before the push plate.

I recently had to replace a pneumatic Grohe push plate for a customer. There were shed loads of videos showing me how to remove the mechanism so that I could reattach the (new) plate pipe.

I am guessing here... Grohe are significantly larger than both firms put together. Regardless, those German firms normally commit to making spares available for a specified number of years.

Pricewise, I would expect VB to be the more expensive but the quality of their ceramics is worth the money. That said, if it is only the cistern frame, the ceramic ware is not (normally?) dependant on the frame.

 

[SJRSJR]

They're all much of a muchness when it comes to price. I prefer the VB faceplate but I don't know how long they've been doing cisterns - I've always thought of them as front of house rather than behind the scenes. The pan will be a floorstanding non branded one but if the logo on the flush plate makes it look top end than that's fine by me.