Has the tables turned?

[denso13]

The security that being in a decent job brings vs taking the plunge,

That has always been the case though and depends what type of person you are. There are plenty of opportunities for either option, it just depends on how driven you are, and which you prefer.

 

[Highway Man]

That has always been the case though and depends what type of person you are. There are plenty of opportunities for either option, it just depends on how driven you are, and which you prefer.

Not really, being employed at one stage was an existence as a wage earner, not really great wages so taking the plunge wasn't such a risk. Wages have gone through the roof for skilled men so no need to try for better money by being self employed.

 

[denso13]

Wages have gone through the roof for skilled men

Hmm, a typical electrician/plumber on say £35k isn't through the roof. Much more out there if you are that way inclined.

 

[mitch66]

Not really, being employed at one stage was an existence as a wage earner, not really great wages so taking the plunge wasn't such a risk. Wages have gone through the roof for skilled men so no need to try for better money by being self employed.

Some of the subbies that earned a low wage qualified for the SEISS during Covid. One of the posters on here was pleased to receive it I recall.

 

[Deleted member 317777]

Not really, being employed at one stage was an existence as a wage earner, not really great wages so taking the plunge wasn't such a risk. Wages have gone through the roof for skilled men so no need to try for better money by being self employed.

I totally agree. Less skilled men now so employers need to offer a lot better package!

Some people just can’t admit it.

 

[motorbiking]

I think what motorbiking is saying is that, because of your good reputation, you could actually charge more for your services than you currently do. He seems to be in the role of trouble shooter. The flip side to that is not wanting to kill the golden goose.

Claimed good reputation.

The original challenge was this statement:

The comparisons are still the same as they have been for decades. The harder you work, the more you earn. I deliberately limit myself these days, but the ability to earn thousands per week, is still there.

Is clearly not the case. A business with a proven track record of success, good customer service etc.. shall we call it "good will" can charge more for the same job than the firm that does not have as much good will.

Exhibit 1:

I'm not the cheapest nor do I need to drop my prices or profit margin to get contracts.
The fact that folk want to use our services, regardless of price,

Exhibit 2:

when several builders are quoting for the same job and the cheapest doesn't get the job. Demand is actually quite low presently.

Others can do it for less - whereas my fees carry on increasing and I continue to get the work over cheaper alternatives.

Therefore the firm with less good will has to work harder to earn less or the same. thus proving

The harder you work, the more you earn.

Is nonsense

All by his own hand.

 

[Highway Man]

Hmm, a typical electrician/plumber on say £35k isn't through the roof. Much more out there if you are that way inclined.

that is the sort of job and wages that would entice you to self employment.

 

[noseall]

Claimed good reputation.

The original challenge was this statement:

Is clearly not the case. A business with a proven track record of success, good customer service etc.. shall we call it "good will" can charge more for the same job than the firm that does not have as much good will.

Exhibit 1:

Exhibit 2:


Therefore the firm with less good will has to work harder to earn less or the same. thus proving


Is nonsense

All by his own hand.

Irrelevant waffle.

This however..

Are you unable to see that the value of what you do and the demand for it, vs the ability of others to do it for less dictates what you earn?

....is still not true.

 

[Highway Man]

Irrelevant waffle.

This however..


....is still not true.

I would say that is very true, hence how all of the poles etc were willing to work for less and pulled the wages down.

 

[noseall]

I would say that is very true

I know. And MBK will continue to waffle and deflect and get thanked by ignorant dribbling morons. Standard M.O.

 

[Lirefighter]

Strong workers rights are a result of Unions and left wing governments fighting for workers.

It’s Ironic that you support right wing populists like Farage, who would destroy workers rights if they got in power.

Labour: "our aim is geared towards making it a thoroughly risky endeavour for any business to employ anyone".

 

[MNW67]

Is clearly not the case. A business with a proven track record of success, good customer service etc.. shall we call it "good will" can charge more for the same job than the firm that does not have as much good will.

But I don't think that was the point being made.

Say the business with the greater good will limits its operation to three days a week. As a result it has to turn work down. If that business then operates over five days a week instead, it will make more money. Do you agree with that.

 

[motorbiking]

I know. And MBK will continue to waffle and deflect and get thanked by ignorant dribbling morons. Standard M.O.

He’s literally given you an example of why it’s true.

 

[motorbiking]

But I don't think that was the point being made.

“The harder you work, the more you earn.” Was his point.

I can do more work for less money.
I can do less work for more money.

It’s not hard to get your head around.

 

[MNW67]

“The harder you work, the more you earn.” Was his point.

I can do more work for less money.
I can do less work for more money.

It’s not hard to get your head around.

Do you agree with what I asked you.