He has trouble completing a thought

[Munroast]

"Yes it is short term pain for america [sic] and trump told and warned his country this - but long term it may be very good for the US economy."

That sounds like the argument used for Bre*it: "you'll see the benefits in 50 years time", sort of thing.
Nonsense.
All manner of circumstance will change in the long term not directly related to trump's tariff war that have an effect upon the economy, for which a future administration will claim credit.

Out of curiosity - you decided to highlight my use of 'america' was it my lack of capitalisation or were you more concern at me using the term for a continent when the USA is only part of that continent - I do apologise if this multi faceted error has caused you mental health ?

 

[Odds]

Out of curiosity - you decided to highlight my use of 'america' was it my lack of capitalisation or were you more concern at me using the term for a continent when the USA is only part of that continent - I do apologise if this multi faceted error has caused you mental health ?

It's common practice to use [sic] when quoting a line.
Nothing personal.

 

[noseall]

what a daft way of looking at it

Nonsense.

Yes it is short term pain for america and trump told and warned his country this - but long term it may be very good for the US economy.

Trump and his ridiculous 'petulant child' tariffs would be long dead, by the time Amercan and Chinese wages balanced out.

Punitive tariffs don't work.

 

[Munroast]

It's common practice to use [sic] when quoting a line.
Nothing personal.

yeh, no problem - just wondering which it was, the lack of capital letter or an imprecise name for the country

both are clumsy and slightly annoy me too, I don't like using USA (don't now why) and US (is a bit like 'us') , America is the entire continent so shouldn't use that
may be i should just call it Trumpville

FWIW i have no idea if trumps massive experiment will work, plenty of professional economists have opposing views too I don't know who to believe. I like the idea of what he is trying to do, but wouldn't bet any money on it working.

 

[noseall]

FWIW i have no idea if trumps massive experiment will work, plenty of professional economists have opposing views too I don't know who to believe. I like the idea of what he is trying to do, but wouldn't bet any money on it woworking.

It's a noble concept, but would take many years of cooperation to achieve. He's got less than 3.5 years, if he lives that long.

All he is actually succeeding in doing is making millions of poor worse off and some billionaires richer.

Which is his true objective.

 

[Odds]

yeh, no problem - just wondering which it was, the lack of capital letter or an imprecise name for the country

both are clumsy and slightly annoy me too, I don't like using USA (don't now why) and US (is a bit like 'us') , America is the entire continent so shouldn't use that
may be i should just call it Trumpville

Maybe they should consider calling it Vinland as the Vikings were there first.

 

[Justin Passing]

Maybe they should consider calling it Vinland as the Vikings were there first.

Carious Paleo-indians such as the Clovis beat the Vikings by the odd 13000 years

Call it India?

 

[Odds]

Carious Paleo-indians such as the Clovis beat the Vikings by the odd 13000 years

Call it India?

Well, there was the East Indies, there is the West Indies; so maybe the North Indies could be considered but why confuse things.

Burgerland?

 

[Vinty]

It isn't even about trade for some, just orangina going in the huff.

Trump's Brazil tariffs are more about political revenge: analysis

Trump has set a whopping 50% tariff on Brazilian goods - one of the highest rates yet levied by the US.

www.bbc.co.uk

America has a trade surplus with Brazil, so if Brazil retaliates it could hurt American exporters.
Also Brazil trade with America is only around 12%, its biggest trade partner is China, and trade between the two is growing as country's around the world are trying find more reliable trade partners than Trumps America.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

America has a trade surplus with Brazil, so if Brazil retaliates it could hurt American exporters.
Also Brazil trade with America is only around 12%, its biggest trade partner is China, and trade between the two is growing as country's around the world are trying find more reliable trade partners than Trumps America.

I don't think those that support his tariffs understand the longer term implications of this.

It's a downward spiral he has put the USA into.

Until or unless USA labour rates are as cheap as the cheap parts of the rest of the world, then all that happens is prices for the usa customer rise, and get harder to export and trade.

Isolationism isn't the way to growth, or success.

 

[Justin Passing]

Until or unless USA labour rates are as cheap as the cheap parts of the rest of the world, then all that happens is prices for the usa customer rise, and get harder to export and trade.

Depends.
If T gets automated factories in USA< partly paid for by those investment sweeteners attached to the tariff concessions, and they're clever with it, they could find exports rise..
The best of the world's factories don't have much of the Labour component, and it's going to dive.

There are lots of impressive demos about. Elon is aiming high.
You will have your phone in the kitchen, and tell Robby the robot to get it charged in the lounge.
It knows it needs the charger. It knows that's in the bedroom because it has scanned the house already.
It gets the charger, takes it to the lounge with the phone, finds a free socket or one with something it can unplug, that's near a table, and isn't causing a trip hazard; plugs them in and comes back to you telling you where it is and how long it'll be before it's fully charged.
If it finds another robot charging, it can ask it how long it's going to be....

Stuff like that is simple for AI, now. Imagine a well defined area and fixed range of operations in a factory.
The "moderately" intelligent jobs will all go. Like call centre operatives, McDonalds workers, fork lift drivers. Care workers is a current focus, coming along nicely.

The way human-like "hand" development is coming along is spooky.

"Humanoid" is a way to develop right now because so much of the world is designed for humans. At the moment.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

And this robot automation won't happen in cheaper areas of the world?

 

[Odds]

And this robot automation won't happen in cheaper areas of the world?

Perhaps.
The costs, however, will be extraordinary. Have you seen how much water the new Data Centers require? All very well for a rich nation like the States to build plenty of 'em but these things will be for a select few for the forseeable future.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Perhaps.
The costs, however, will be extraordinary. Have you seen how much water the new Data Centers require? All very well for a rich nation like the States to build plenty of 'em but these things will be for a select few for the forseeable future.

China, just for starters ?

 

[Highway Man]

I don't think those that support his tariffs understand the longer term implications of this.

It's a downward spiral he has put the USA into.

Until or unless USA labour rates are as cheap as the cheap parts of the rest of the world, then all that happens is prices for the usa customer rise, and get harder to export and trade.

Isolationism isn't the way to growth, or success.

Russia do alright