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House collapse in Ashton Under Lyne

Discussion in 'Building' started by ree, 28 Mar 2014.

  1. ree

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    There's a video and news reports of a house collapse in Ashton Under Lyne in todays newspapers and on youtube.

    The newspaper reports are rubbish: "an engineer ( a guy up a cherry picker) removed only one brick (the idiot was banging away with a pry bar) and the house collapsed"

    The reality was that no way should that cherry picker have been there with a worker on the platform, neither should he have begun a mini demolition. He's a very lucky guy.
    The elevation brickwork collapsed sheer down bringing the roof and wall plate with it. But if the roof had spread then the hefty wall plate would have taken the man and the cherrypicker down with it.
    For what purpose was he doing what he does in the video? Why was he even up there?

    Where was the experienced supervision?


    He, and the guy below, totally ignored the warning signs of dust and debris spurting out as new cracks appeared and more debris began falling. Instead, the guy on the platform reaches into the hole in the elevation, and narrowly misses being dragged down with the collapse.

    There's a sequence of still pics that show the back of the site/building after the collapse, and one of them shows scaffolding at the rear of the property.
    In other words, some kind of building work was taking place at the rear, before the collapse. Maybe this had nothing to do with the structural failure but its worth investigating?

    When the alerted authorities first approached that frontage it would have been obvious that the only safe course was to immediately demolish the property after disconnecting any utilities.

    Looking at the pics it seems that the party walls on either side are compromised and are now unsafe. Has anyone been inside the adjacent buildings and examined the party walls etc?

    FWIW: just behind the cherrypicker platform is an enormous wooden flag pole bolted to the side of another delapidated looking structure. If the flagpole had been brought then down who knows what next? Why is it even there in a busy street? Answers please, Ashton Under Lyne council?
     
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    Many of those old terrace houses have very little in the way of bonding between the party walls and the front/rear elevations.
    The builders would often build the party walls first, which would be stabilized by the hefty chimney breasts, and usually done quickly by less experienced bricklayers.
    The facades would be done later by more experienced bricklayers, but the tying-in to the ends of the party walls would often be indifferent.
     
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    Looks safe enough. Had he been on a scaffold he would probably have came off worse.

    He got the job done cheaply and safely in the end. Result!
    And anyways he was wearing his hard hat. :mrgreen:
     
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    Tony1851,

    Thats exactly what i saw on the still pics; the upper two thirds, at the ends of the party walls were not tied-in, they were simply butted up to the adjacent buildings.
    Thats why the front came down sheer, if the front facades of all three buildings had been tied in then the collapse would have been different, perhaps ripping out chunks of adjacent party walls.

    The lower third appeared to have been toothed in but it was difficult to tell.
     
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    He had a lucky day, I bet there was a moment when he thought it could have ended differently.
     
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    He had a lucky day, I bet there was a moment when he thought it could have ended differently.
     
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    why am i thinking this was a planned job,
    where are the floors??
     
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    It looks very much as if the guy in the cherry picker was trying, and expecting, to bring the wall down.

    Something which seems to have completely escaped the t**t who posted the video.
     
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    Yup, too dangerous to prop it I suspect, and too much damage to worth saving it.
     
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    Agree, Ronny, the whole facade is knackered and should not have been touched, attempting to prop it might have had the same effect. Interesting bit of buttock covering by the structural engineers though.
    Frank
     
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    Yeah, although I think the IstructE is, for one, taking exception to the fact that anyone with a lump hammer or a crow bar gets called an "engineer" by the unenlightened population, and two, pointing out that the building should have been surveyed and, with a method statement etc in place, either made safe or safely taken down, not demolished in the manner shown on the video.
     
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    RonnyRaygun,

    thanks for that reference.
     
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