how soon will Trump back down over tariffs

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The Chinese are now being tariffed at 104%

China has and always will be a problem. If the market for steel reduces they will carry on over producing and selling at a loss, that's why the EU. UK and US introduced 'anti dumping tariffs'. At a time when their currency couldn't be traded they set their own exchange rates, they would routinely 'devalue' their own currency just to get a competitive edge. Obviously after they've wiped out every western steel producer they will increase the price, they really are quite ruthless.
 
Far rage has hinted we should accept chlorinated chicken. He might even come out and support the sale of the nhs.

As far as I'm aware chlorinated chicken has never been banned in Europe, it's an accepted practice, almost globally. The official EU position is that although chlorinated washing is acceptable and within food standards regs, they would prefer to see a practice where greater hygiene is achieved earlier in the breeding process so that chorine washing is not required. The chlorine levels used aren't that much higher than the amounts used to keep drinking water clean. The EU banned US chicken over animal welfare concerns, where the eu might have 80 birds in a pen the US might have 100 or some such.

Canada which has high food standards imports chlorinated chicken. It's labelled as such and gives consumers more choice and control over cost, they can still buy un chlorinated and free range but gives them a cheaper option to the less well off.

The EU are well known for placing restrictions as above in the guise of a safety measure when it's quite clear they are being 'protectionist' to help their own farmers, which I don't entirely disagree with, I'd just like to see a little more honesty about it.

The Mercosur trade deal, almost there after 20 years is still being blocked by French farmers.
 
As far as I'm aware chlorinated chicken has never been banned in Europe, it's an accepted practice, almost globally. The official EU position is that although chlorinated washing is acceptable and within food standards regs, they would prefer to see a practice where greater hygiene is achieved earlier in the breeding process so that chorine washing is not required. The chlorine levels used aren't that much higher than the amounts used to keep drinking water clean. The EU banned US chicken over animal welfare concerns, where the eu might have 80 birds in a pen the US might have 100 or some such.

Canada which has high food standards imports chlorinated chicken. It's labelled as such and gives consumers more choice and control over cost, they can still buy un chlorinated and free range but gives them a cheaper option to the less well off.

The EU are well known for placing restrictions as above in the guise of a safety measure when it's quite clear they are being 'protectionist' to help their own farmers, which I don't entirely disagree with, I'd just like to see a little more honesty about it.

The Mercosur trade deal, almost there after 20 years is still being blocked by French farmers.
The Soil Association say that the chlorination process doesn’t ensure safer chicken but masks the existence of bacteria, and that as a result the US has more cases of food poisoning.

 
The Soil Association say that the chlorination process doesn’t ensure safer chicken but masks the existence of bacteria, and that as a result the US has more cases of food poisoning.

You could just cook the chlorine washed (or any ) chicken properly.
Perhaps the average American isn't as aware of this simple, yet guaranteed method of eliminating harmful bacteria oft found in poultry as the British are. :unsure:
The arguments against chlorinated chicken are for the birds.
 
The Soil Association say that the chlorination process doesn’t ensure safer chicken but masks the existence of bacteria, and that as a result the US has more cases of food poisoning.

I'm dubious in that the chlorine will kill bacteria, equally, improved standards will help ensure the bacteria aren't there to begin with, which is more the EU stance, an internationally acceptable standard somewhere in between might be helpful, more hygiene conditions and a reduced rate of chlorine in the wash as a failsafe, it's not rocket science, surely at least the G20 could come up with a mutual standard.
I've never been to America but nobody I know who has complains about the food, in fact, the opposite is true.
Hormone fed beef is another one, many hormones have (quite rightly) been banned over the years but many are in use and approved by the WHO. Poorer countries or countries with a different climate to ours may not have the lush grassland to sustain cattle so artificial aids are needed, I think I read that cattle in the South of Australia tend to have a far higher grass feed that those in the North where the diet needs to be enhanced with hormones.
The world is getting bigger in terms of population, it needs feeding.
 
You could just cook the chlorine washed (or any ) chicken properly.
Perhaps the average American isn't as aware of this simple, yet guaranteed method of eliminating harmful bacteria oft found in poultry as the British are. :unsure:
The arguments against chlorinated chicken are for the birds.

Most of our chicken comes from KFC, I trust them.
 
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Hard to know what Trumps end game is.
While he is hiking up tarrifs, his partner Elon Musk is saying that the USA and Europe should form a free trade zone.

Seems to a bit of good cop/bad cop psychological manipulation going on.
 
While he is hiking up tarrifs, his partner Elon Musk is saying that the USA and Europe should form a free trade zone.

No one will make a deal with someone who breaks deals.

Trump and Putin isolate themselves.

They have no friends, allies or partners.

Canada?
 
No one will make a deal with someone who breaks deals.

Trump and Putin isolate themselves.

They have no friends, allies or partners.

Canada?
That is why it is so hard to figure out what Trump really hopes to achieve with his tarrif war.
Even Trump can't be so stupid as to believe his policies will benefit America.

His nonsense about America being robbed by the rest of the world defies logic.
America is still the richest country in the world and was getting richer until he came into power.
 
Hard to know what Trumps end game is.
While he is hiking up tarrifs, his partner Elon Musk is saying that the USA and Europe should form a free trade zone.

Seems to a bit of good cop/bad cop psychological manipulation going on.
really really pointless trying to put any logic to any comments or actions coming from the strange orange one as continuity logic and consideration off others and the whole effects his actions cause seem non existent
 
Hard to know what Trumps end game is.
A third term funded by tax cuts paid for by tariffs
While he is hiking up tarrifs, his partner Elon Musk is saying that the USA and Europe should form a free trade zone.
That would be difficult to sell as a brexhit bonus
Seems to a bit of good cop/bad cop psychological manipulation going on.
Kindergarten cops
 
That is why it is so hard to figure out what Trump really hopes to achieve with his tarrif war.
Even Trump can't be so stupid as to believe his policies will benefit America.

His nonsense about America being robbed by the rest of the world defies logic.
America is still the richest country in the world and was getting richer until he came into power.

really really pointless trying to put any logic to any comments or actions coming from the strange orange one as continuity logic and consideration off others and the whole effects his actions cause seem non existent

I have been reading in several places that there is a theory put forward last year by Trump's chief economic adviser, Stephen Miran, which explains the end game. The proposal has been called the Mar-a-Lago Accord. I don't pretend to fully understand it. A snippet from Wikipedia is below. It seems to be about using tariffs to force other countries to agree to devalue the dollar. And also to restructure their holdings of US debt, so that the debt becomes repayable at a much later date. Apparently, this is to compensate the USA for all the good they do in the world.

The term "Mar-a-Lago Accord" refers to an international agreement proposed by Stephen Miran[250] before joining the Trump administration aimed at devaluing the U.S. dollar to address trade imbalances and enhance American economic competitiveness. Drawing parallels to the 1985 Plaza Accord, which successfully depreciated the dollar through coordinated efforts among major economies, the Mar-a-Lago Accord would envision a similar strategy to bolster U.S. manufacturing by making exports more competitive and reducing the trade deficit. The proposal includes measures such as restructuring U.S. debt by converting foreign-held Treasury securities into ultra-long-term bonds, thereby alleviating immediate fiscal pressures. Additionally, it suggests leveraging tariff policies to negotiate favorable currency valuations with key trading partners. While the concept has gained attention in financial circles, its feasibility remains a subject of debate among economists and policymakers trying to make sense of Trump's decisions.[251] It has been criticized as "QAnon for tariffs"
 
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