how to cap off unused wires to regs..

[Essex1]

I'm pretty convinced now that you're just trolling for the s...s and giggles, so I think I'll just ignore you.

If everyone else does, too, then hopefully you'll get bored and find some other people to wind up.

Very responsible. I am not here for you. But to stop any op hurting themselves.

 

[JohnW2]

The reason I am here is to try and balance out the what I perceive as poor advice. Now I understand that those giving the advice think they are helping. Of course they do. Sometimes, however I believe safety comes first. Especially if there are going to be others using the installation in question.

That's all fair enough. However, a forum like this is pretty well self-policed - in as much as any poor/dangerous advice will usually be picked up by others (and, if dangerous enough, removed by the mods). Even though BAS agrees with you, rather than me, about this, I also feel that, pragmatically, one also has to consider the possible consequences of not giving advice (other than 'get an electrician'). It may get one off potential legal hooks but one's conscience might suffer if harm resulted from the failure to give advice.

Kind Regards, John

 

[Essex1]

The reason I am here is to try and balance out the what I perceive as poor advice. Now I understand that those giving the advice think they are helping. Of course they do. Sometimes, however I believe safety comes first. Especially if there are going to be others using the installation in question.

That's all fair enough. However, a forum like this is pretty well self-policed - in as much as any poor/dangerous advice will usually be picked up by others (and, if dangerous enough, removed by the mods). Even though BAS agrees with you, rather than me, about this, I also feel that, pragmatically, one also has to consider the possible consequences of not giving advice (other than 'get an electrician'). It may get one off potential legal hooks but one's conscience might suffer if harm resulted from the failure to give advice.

Kind Regards, John

Well that is where we must agree to disagree.

 

[bernardgreen]

Very responsible. I am not here for you. But to stop any op hurting themselves.

How do you intend to prevent any op from hurting themselves. ? If you think that not giving advice will prevent an accident you need to think again. Without advice the op may continue using guess work and trial and error to rectify the situation. You would leave them to do that would you ?

 

[JohnW2]

...It may get one off potential legal hooks but one's conscience might suffer if harm resulted from the failure to give advice.

Well that is where we must agree to disagree.

Fair enough - we're all different. For me, I don't think I would sleep too well if I knew that my failure to give (constructive) advice which I could have given had resulted in harm coming to someone.

Kind Regards, John

 

[Essex1]

...It may get one off potential legal hooks but one's conscience might suffer if harm resulted from the failure to give advice.

Well that is where we must agree to disagree.

Fair enough - we're all different. For me, I don't think I would sleep too well if I knew that my failure to give (constructive) advice which I could have given had resulted in harm coming to someone.

Kind Regards, John

But you agree that most of the time "get a qualified electrician in" would be the best advice?

 

[JohnW2]

But you agree that most of the time "get a qualified electrician in" would be the best advice?

It's certainly true that such is the 'safest' advice, particularly when one does not really know much about the knowledge, skills and capabilities of the person involved. However, that's a general truth, and really amounts to simply saying that DIY electrical work should never be undertaken.

However, the fact remains that DIY electrical work does happen and that only a tiny proportion of those who come to a forum like this to ask questions are likely to actually comply with advice to "get a qualified electrician in". Whether we like it or not, a high proportion of them are going to attempt to do the work, anyway, whether or not they get any constructive advice. ... and, as I said, I personally would not sleep well if I knew that someone had come to harm when I had chosen not to give advice which may possibly have prevented that harm. Your conscience obviously works differently from mine, which is fair enough.

Kind Regards, John

 

[Essex1]

But you agree that most of the time "get a qualified electrician in" would be the best advice?

It's certainly true that such is the 'safest' advice, particularly when one does not really know much about the knowledge, skills and capabilities of the person involved. However, that's a general truth, and really amounts to simply saying that DIY electrical work should never be undertaken.

However, the fact remains that DIY electrical work does happen and that only a tiny proportion of those who come to a forum like this to ask questions are likely to actually comply with advice to "get a qualified electrician in". Whether we like it or not, a high proportion of them are going to attempt to do the work, anyway, whether or not they get any constructive advice. ... and, as I said, I personally would not sleep well if I knew that someone had come to harm when I had chosen not to give advice which may possibly have prevented that harm. Your conscience obviously works differently from mine, which is fair enough.

Kind Regards, John

Would you mind if I asked what your qualifications/background is?

 

[333rocky333]

You first, would be nice

 

[Essex1]

2360 part 1&2
NVQ L2&3
2391
17th edition inc 3rd amendment update

Domestic/new build/commercial/industrial

17 years experience

 

[JohnW2]

Would you mind if I asked what your qualifications/background is?

Not at all - just like OPs here, you're free to ask anything you like (although, seemingly, not all questions should be answered!)!

Kind Regards, John

 

[Essex1]

Would you mind if I asked what your qualifications/background is?

Not at all - just like OPs here, you're free to ask anything you like (although, seemingly, not all questions should be answered!)!

Kind Regards, John

No answer is an answer.

Thanks.

 

[JohnW2]

No answer is an answer. Thanks.

As you should know if, as you say, you have been reading all my posts, although the nature of my qualifications/background is somewhat of an enigma, the one thing I have always made very clear is that I am not, never have been, and presumably never will be, an electrician - which is also true of several of the others you have been sparring with.

Kind Regards, John

 

[JohnW2]

17th edition inc 3rd amendment update

I hope you didn't pay too much for the "3rd amendment update", since they appear to have misinformed you about the impact (which is actually none) of the 3rd amendment on requirements for notification of electrical work in England.

Kind Regards, John

 

[333rocky333]

17th edition inc 3rd amendment update

Do they do refunds

Not forgetting the 50mm depth in the floor