ICE told to get the eff out

[motorbiking]

The agent seems to have extremely good reactions. Which is one of the reasons why I believe he had time to stop before the second shot. Even an untrained civilian only need 350 milliseconds.

Do let us know when you've found some case law that supports your stance.

 

[Odds]

Is there any reason to believe a warning shot could've stopped her driving away?

 

[Scof]

I posted something similar the other day.

The agent seems to have extremely good reactions. Which is one of the reasons why I believe he had time to stop before the second shot. Even an untrained civilian only need 350 milliseconds.

I think that this is nonsense. If/when/if ever I have to make the decision to stop you then you are having all that I have got & this is not your Hollywood movie sketch.

 

[motorbiking]

Is there any reason to believe a warning shot could've stopped her driving away?

They don't tend to do that do they?

She was told to stop.

 

[Scof]

Is there any reason to believe a warning shot could've stopped her driving away?

Hollywood.

 

[aveatry]

Is there any reason to believe a warning shot could've stopped her driving away?

What a ridiculous suggestion, you can not be serious

 

[MNW67]

I think that this is nonsense. If/when/if ever I have to make the decision to stop you then you are having all that I have got & this is not your Hollywood movie sketch.

Would you have felt that you were still in danger when this shot was fired.

 

[motorbiking]

Would you have felt that you were still in danger when this shot was fired.

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shot 1,2 and 3 possibly 4 all fired in 0.7 seconds.

You keep applying 20/20 hindsight.

Have you noticed the bias in the model. That officer's arms would make him a chimpanzee

 

[Scof]

Would you have felt that you were still in danger when this shot was fired.

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How many milliseconds into it is this specific event?

Do you claim that he should not have fired this shot?

I would have fired this shot simply because my first shot was justified . . . And you are just about to experience everything I have at my disposal.

 

[MNW67]

shot 1,2 and 3 possibly 4 all fired in 0.7 seconds.

You keep applying 20/20 hindsight.

Hindsight means something that couldn't be known at the time in the moment. What relevant factors do you believe the agent might not have been aware of.

 

[Scof]

Hindsight means something that couldn't be known at the time in the moment. What relevant factors do you believe the agent might not have been aware of.

Do you want an intelligent discussion on this subject . . . Or do you just want to reduce it to the level of left V right politicals???

 

[MNW67]

How many milliseconds into it is this specific event?

Do you claim that he should not have fired this shot?

I would have fired this shot simply because my first shot was justified . . . And you are just about to experience everything I have at my disposal.

700 milliseconds.

Law enforcement are trained to shoot, reassess, then shoot again only if necessary. This is not the military, where they shoot to kill.

The third shot shown above came 700 milliseconds after the first shot shown below. During that time, the officer managed to stumble, regain his footing, change his body position and stance, and reacquire the target. He obviously had plenty of time to decide not to shoot.

 

[Scof]

Hindsight means something that couldn't be known at the time in the moment. What relevant factors do you believe the agent might not have been aware of.

'Cos if it just down to left V right then no side can ever win & intelligent discussion has been tossed out of the window.

 

[motorbiking]

Hindsight means something that couldn't be known at the time in the moment. What relevant factors do you believe the agent might not have been aware of.

Perhaps stop trying to lecture me and spend your effort finding case law that backs up your position.

 

[MNW67]

Perhaps stop trying to lecture me and spend your effort finding case law that backs up your position.

All the leading case law we have looked at backs up my position. It all says that as soon the threat is over, the officer has to stop shooting.