ICE told to get the eff out

[MNW67]

It is linked to the previous discussions which showed that illegal immigrants commit between a third and half fewer crimes that US citizens. The reason is simple. They don't want to rock the boat. So they keep their heads down, work hard, and obey the law, in the hope that one day they will become US citizens. It has benefited both sides massively for decades.

 

[motorbiking]

Stop trolling. You know what I mean. Everyone knows what I mean.

Nobody is trolling, you are posting ridiculous claims:

I had heard the term 'sanctuary city' a lot, but hadn't looked before into what it means. It's pretty interesting.

Basically, it means that the city authorities don't go out of their way to alert ICE to illegal immigrants, unless they are serious criminals. It's basically a live and let live approach to illegal immigrants who keep their heads down. It doesn't, however, mean actively protecting them. All the research shows that the sanctuary city approach leads to less crime, a stronger economy and better community relations.

It is linked to the previous discussions which showed that illegal immigrants commit between a third and half fewer crimes that US citizens. The reason is simple. They don't want to rock the boat. So they keep their heads down, work hard, and obey the law, in the hope that one day they will become US citizens. It has benefited both sides massively for decades.

- Every illegal immigrant has committed a crime - an immigration offence.
- They have no right to work and cannot pay taxes - someone is exploiting someone
- Then you have all the consequential crimes: working without insurance, driving without a licence etc etc. more likely to hit and run.
- Illegal immigrants are harder to trace, because they "don't exist".

The fact they keep their crime off the radar does not meant they commit less crime.

 

[MNW67]

Every illegal immigrant has committed a crime - an immigration offence.

YAWN

 

[MNW67]

The fact they keep their crime off the radar does not meant they commit less crime.

Whereas US citizens commit crimes in full public view so that they can get caught.

 

[motorbiking]

I don't have a problem if you don't want to defend your ridiculous claims.

 

[fillyboy]

YAWN

I'm not surprised, posting at half past 4.

 

[motorbiking]

Scenario A: US citizen, driving a vehicle which he is insured to drive accidentally hits another car, causing damage and injury to the driver
Scenario B: illegal immigrant, driving a vehicle which he has no insurance or licence to drive accidentally hits another car, causing damage and injury to the driver

who is going to do a runner?

 

[MNW67]

I don't have a problem if you don't want to defend your ridiculous claims.

This would be an ideal place to post some Google AI facts. But I know you don't like facts.

We established the crime figures last week. Go back and check. You even told me what to Google.

For the rest, bearing in mind you object to me posting facts, DYOR. GIYF.

 

[motorbiking]

This would be an ideal place to post some Google AI facts. But I know you don't like facts.

We established the crime figures last week. Go back and check. You even told me what to Google.

For the rest, bearing in mind you object to me posting facts, DYOR. GIYF.

I don't have a problem if you don't want to defend your ridiculous claims.

 

[MNW67]

Well, you're putting me in a tight spot. I will have to break my recent promise:

AI Overview

'do sanctuary cities have more crime and worse economies?'

Based on available research and studies, the claim that sanctuary cities have more crime and weaker economies is generally not supported by evidence. Multiple analyses, including data from 2013-2016 and studies up to 2020, indicate that sanctuary jurisdictions (areas that limit cooperation with federal immigration authorities) have, on average, lower crime rates and stronger economic indicators compared to similar non-sanctuary jurisdictions.

Crime and Public Safety

• Lower Crime Rates: Studies have found that there are, on average, 35.5 fewer crimes committed per 10,000 people in sanctuary counties compared to non-sanctuary counties.
• No "Magnet" Effect: Research suggests that sanctuary policies do not result in higher rates of violent or property crime, and there is no evidence that they attract criminals or cause an increase in crime.
• Improved Trust: Proponents argue, and research supports, that these policies increase trust between immigrant communities and local police, which encourages the reporting of crimes and improves overall public safety.
• Targeted Enforcement: Sanctuary policies often only restrict the detention of individuals for civil immigration violations, not for violent criminal convictions.

Economic Indicators

• Higher Income & Lower Poverty: Studies indicate that median household income is, on average, over $4,300 higher in sanctuary counties than in non-sanctuary counties, with lower poverty rates.
• Better Employment: Data shows that sanctuary counties tend to have higher labor force participation rates and lower unemployment rates.
• Reduced Public Assistance: There is often less reliance on public assistance (like SNAP benefits) in these communities.

Arguments from Critics

• Undermining Rule of Law: Critics argue that not cooperating with federal immigration authorities undermines the rule of law.
• Resource Strain: Some argue that these policies can strain local resources, such as public education and healthcare.
• Safety Concerns: Opponents contend that releasing individuals with criminal records instead of handing them over to federal authorities poses a safety risk.

While some critics argue that sanctuary policies create safety and economic risks, the majority of the empirical, peer-reviewed research and statistical analysis indicates the opposite: that these policies are associated with lower crime rates and better economic performance.

 

[Brigadier]

When are the usual suspects going to accept what has been pointed out to them repeatedly?

Here's Republican senator Rand Paul, leader of the Homeland Security Committee.

Or, take doubling - down to a whole new level

 

[motorbiking]

Do you think illegal immigrants want to target places with weak economies and high crime rates.

Well, you're putting me in a tight spot. I will have to break my recent promise:

AI Overview

'do sanctuary cities have more crime and worse economies?'

Based on available research and studies, the claim that sanctuary cities have more crime and weaker economies is generally not supported by evidence. Multiple analyses, including data from 2013-2016 and studies up to 2020, indicate that sanctuary jurisdictions (areas that limit cooperation with federal immigration authorities) have, on average, lower crime rates and stronger economic indicators compared to similar non-sanctuary jurisdictions.

Crime and Public Safety

• Lower Crime Rates: Studies have found that there are, on average, 35.5 fewer crimes committed per 10,000 people in sanctuary counties compared to non-sanctuary counties.
• No "Magnet" Effect: Research suggests that sanctuary policies do not result in higher rates of violent or property crime, and there is no evidence that they attract criminals or cause an increase in crime.
• Improved Trust: Proponents argue, and research supports, that these policies increase trust between immigrant communities and local police, which encourages the reporting of crimes and improves overall public safety.
• Targeted Enforcement: Sanctuary policies often only restrict the detention of individuals for civil immigration violations, not for violent criminal convictions.

Economic Indicators

• Higher Income & Lower Poverty: Studies indicate that median household income is, on average, over $4,300 higher in sanctuary counties than in non-sanctuary counties, with lower poverty rates.
• Better Employment: Data shows that sanctuary counties tend to have higher labor force participation rates and lower unemployment rates.
• Reduced Public Assistance: There is often less reliance on public assistance (like SNAP benefits) in these communities.

Arguments from Critics

• Undermining Rule of Law: Critics argue that not cooperating with federal immigration authorities undermines the rule of law.
• Resource Strain: Some argue that these policies can strain local resources, such as public education and healthcare.
• Safety Concerns: Opponents contend that releasing individuals with criminal records instead of handing them over to federal authorities poses a safety risk.

While some critics argue that sanctuary policies create safety and economic risks, the majority of the empirical, peer-reviewed research and statistical analysis indicates the opposite: that these policies are associated with lower crime rates and better economic performance.

Follow the source .

 

[Highway Man]

When are the usual suspects going to accept what has been pointed out to them repeatedly?

Here's Republican senator Rand Paul, leader of the Homeland Security Committee.

Or, take doubling - down to a whole new level

Typical of these people with their threats of impeachment and sacking people because they don't like the outcome and want to live in a lawless society. Very sad.

 

[blup]

When are the usual suspects going to accept what has been pointed out to them repeatedly?

They don’t realise that even the MAGA’s aren’t buying the propaganda

 

[blup]

Typical of these people with their threats of impeachment and sacking people because they don't like the outcome and want to live in a lawless society. Very sad.

Threat of impeachment to prevent the lawlessness of dung maga’s