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“By late Autumn the Government's Department of Work and Pensions plans to introduce a new Universal Jobmatch website for anyone seeking a job. The US company commissioned to deliver this service is Monster Worldwide, an online recruitment and technology service company infamous for numerous losses of personal data through hacking, including the US equivalent of Universal Jobmatch, usajobs.gov.

Millions of part-time workers and unemployed receiving welfare benefits will be mandated to register, thereby bypassing all semblance of consent, letting Jobcentre staff and external contractors have full access to all of their user activities, including reading correspondence with employers, viewing full content of CV's, pending and submitted job applications, jobsearches done and saved, feedback from employers, interviews offered and personal profiles. Jobcentre staff will also be able to attach job vacancy details to a user’s account, which they must apply for.
All of this is being driven by the plan to make all welfare benefit and related services digital by default and mandated for under the Welfare Reform Act (2012), coupled with the introduction of Universal Credit.

These welfare reforms come with unprecedented coercive powers, such as “claimant commitments”, including the core mandatory requirement to give evidence of spending a whopping 35 hours per week doing Jobsearch activities, with non-compliance leading to loss of welfare payments through sanctions of up to 3 years and or the imposition of mandatory unpaid work(fare), for showing a lack of effort. Based on the evidence we believe that the unemployed and part time workers receiving welfare benefits will be mandated to register.

This snoopers’ charter of a service will be integrated with many central, local government and private sector databases, covering wages paid, hours worked, credit ratings, electoral role and tax liability to name a few.”


http://zine.openrightsgroup.org/features/2012/looking-for-a-job-goes-orwellian

There are many worrying things about this proposal (which is already being put into practice), but for me, the key sentence is this: “the core mandatory requirement to give evidence of spending a whopping 35 hours per week doing Jobsearch activities, with non-compliance leading to loss of welfare payments”. What this means is that, if you’re a Jobseeker, you’re going to have to spend 35 hours a week chained to your computer to retain your benefits; effectively, a form of house arrest.

Can anybody enlighten me as to what possible good can come of stripping the most powerless, the most defenceless, the most vulnerable, and the most demoralised people in our society of what little autonomy and dignity they have left and treating them like political criminals? Just what is it supposed to achieve?
 
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I thought it was not having a job which stripped these people of their Dignity.

Making them look for a job sounds like a good idea to me. those who can prove they are trying and through no fault of their own are unable to find work should be supported.
 
Personally, I'd give them just three options. 40 hours of proven time spent genuinely job hunting, or 40 hours of road sweeping and litter picking, or absolutely NO benefits of any description.

Why should those who can be bothered to work, often far more than 40 hours a week, fund the lifestyles of those who can't?
 
Personally, I'd give them just three options. 40 hours of proven time spent genuinely job hunting, or 40 hours of road sweeping and litter picking, or absolutely NO benefits of any description.

Why should those who can be bothered to work, often far more than 40 hours a week, fund the lifestyles of those who can't?

No doubt about it. There's a big difference between someone who is willing to work and has worked, who needs some help from society when they hit hard times, (which as I understand it was what the "Welfare State" was intended to do in the first place. And those who continually abuse the system to avoid having to work.
 
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That's exactly why I'd make paid work sweeping streets and picking up litter available to anyone who wants it - paid in the form of benefits (which would be nowhere near as comfortable to live on long term as they are now!)
 
You guys are living in La-la land. The unemployed are unemployable chavs born to unemployable chavs who are given benefits for popping out even more unemployable chavs.

We no-longer need the handle pullers and button pressers in industry, industry is now automated.

There is no place in the workforce for the ******* that make money by breeding more *******.
 
My sister has progressive MS and sits in her chair (having been hoisted into it) or her bed staring into space and shaking. She is non-compis-mentis. So, obviously, she received a letter yesterday (signed off by Ian Duncan Smith) telling her that she had to attend an interview to determine what work she might be capable of doing with a likely further interview with jobseeker; failure to attend leading to a loss in her incapacity benefits and income support which pays my brother in law as a carer. Taking her to these interviews will involve either specialist Taxis or possibly an ambulance and will thus involve some jobsworth asking questions and my sister dribbling and maybe grunting randomly.

You'd have thought that there would be a database somewhere that would prevent this sort of pointless debacle from taking place. :rolleyes:
 
There's plenty of mindless jobs at factories I go to when I'm fixing machines - loading input hoppers, unloading output conveyors, clearing the odd jam.

Tends to be done by Poles - because they'll actually do it for minimum wage, and at that they're cheaper than a whole load of custom built automation gear.

Only reason that local scroungers haven't got those jobs is because they're more comfortable on the dole - topped up with a bit of cash in hand or robbing when they're a bit short.

Unemployment benefits should be enough to feed the kids - not buy them new Playstations and pay the Sky subscription. And they should be EARNED!
 
Get rid of the Poles then. Simples.
 
The ONLY reason they're here at all is that the scroungers won't do the jobs as long as they're getting their rent paid and their regular beer Giro.

Do you really think that employers WANT the extra expense of recruiting abroad, paying agency fees, checking that foreigners actually have the right to work here, getting fined when it turns out someone working on a Polish passport is actually Bulgarian, dealing with all the language problems, finding and training another worker when their Poles just plain fail to come back from a visit home, etc. etc. etc?

Make unemployment benefits just a subsistence safety net again - like they used to be - and there'll BE no jobs here for Poles!
 
Many employers choose Poles by choice. No wonder there are no jobs for our own kids.
 
Rubbish!

EVERY factory I go to I have shift supervisors and managers moaning to me about exactly the problems of employing foreigners which I've already mentioned.

They employ Poles because they need a job done, the job is only worth minimum wage or so (if they paid much more than that and it suddenly WOULD be worth investing in the automation gear and there'd be no job at all!), and they can only get a limited number of locals to actually work for that.
 
It's not rubbish at all. Many employers only employ poles.

Poles who will sends this country bust.
 
You people make me laugh.

'Make them sweep the streets for forty hours to earn their benefits'.
Get real will you? If they are sweeping the streets for forty hours how are they supposed to look for more gainful employment?
Oh no, don't tell me. they do it on line at night instead of relaxing and resting after working all day. Which compared to the 249 hour week you put in all the time is quite reasonable to expect.
You wanted a reaction to your pathetic wind up post and now you've got one so you can sit back in your super-duper armchair with your bottle of cheap plonk and congratulate yourself on a job well done.
I'd like to see any of you hold that same attitude if you suddenly found yourself unemployed.
 
The only reason the Poles and Eastern Europeans are here is because a certain government (not the present incumbents) chose to sign up the UK for almost everything that Europe threw at them. FFS , it's bad enough that our borders leak illegals, without the thousands of legal, immigrants allowed to come and go as they please.
Not only that, once they get a job here on the minimum wage, they can also claim child benefit and family working tax credits for the wife and kids back home in Poland/Eastern Europe. They are the ones getting more out of the system than they ever put in..
Child benefit and family working tax credits should only be made available to those people actually born, raised and living in the UK.
 
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