Land Rover (army) Replacement

Diver Fred · 2026-03-21T10:18:44+0000

blup said:
Army Land Rover fleet
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckge29v8ddgo If it’s lasted 70 years how are they suddenly unfit for service. Are the new technologically advanced replacements going to be more reliable?

Highway Man said:
Sad to see as I have very fond memories of the Land rovers, doesn't say what they are replacing them with. I cannot think of anything that is as robust as these are.

So what is the consensus on a suitable if not likely replacement..?

From what I see the 'new' Defender (really a MK1/2/3 Discovery replacement) isn't likely to be good enough as it's a Monocoque body shell so open top isn't possible without substantial reinforcement and therefore weight.
The Ineos Grenadier is a closer vehicle to the original LR in construction and probably, equally?, as capable and easier to modify for MOD purposes.

Otherwise, my thought - it has to be the Toyota Hi-Ace...

Highway Man · 2026-03-21T10:21:53+0000

Diver Fred said:
So what is the consensus on a suitable if not likely replacement..?

From what I see the 'new' Defender (really a MK1/2/3 Discovery replacement) isn't likely to be good enough as it's a Monocoque body shell so open top isn't possible without substantial reinforcement and therefore weight.
The Ineos Grenadier is a closer vehicle to the original LR in construction and probably, equally?, as capable and easier to modify for MOD purposes.

Otherwise, my thought - it has to be the Toyota Hi-Ace...

I was thinking along those lines but the army fitters have every part to rebuild land rovers and keep them moving, not so sure the. same parts would be as readily available and as cost effective?

blup · 2026-03-21T10:24:14+0000

Jim will definitely be bidding for the Inneos but what happens when the electronic rear view mirror fails?

IT Minion · 2026-03-21T10:30:22+0000

Diver Fred said:
The Ineos Grenadier is a closer vehicle to the original LR in construction and probably, equally?, as capable and easier to modify for MOD purposes.

Nostalgia is for idiots (not aimed at you). Ineos doesn't have the volumes, production history or history of militarised vehicles.

Old Salt · 2026-03-21T10:37:35+0000

blup said:
Jim will definitely be bidding for the Inneos but what happens when the electronic rear view mirror fails?

That’s only fitted to the Italian army version

blup · 2026-03-21T10:38:51+0000

Old Salt said:
That’s only fitted to the Italian army version

The WW2 version with one forward and six reverse

Highway Man · 2026-03-21T10:39:42+0000

Mercedes-Benz G-Wagen ? A better alternative

IT Minion · 2026-03-21T10:42:09+0000

Jokes aside a lot of the Russian tank losses during the early phase of the Ukrainian invasion could have been avoided by being able to reverse at speed, which NATO tanks can do but USSR designs couldn't .

When you stick your nose into the line of fire you don't want to pull a three point turn before performing your tactical relocation.

noseall · 2026-03-21T10:52:20+0000

IT Minion said:
Jokes aside a lot of the Russian tank losses during the early phase of the Ukrainian invasion could have been avoided by being able to reverse at speed, which NATO tanks can do but USSR designs couldn't .

When you stick your nose into the line of fire you don't want to pull a three point turn before performing your tactical relocation.

Tracked machines we use can turn on a sixpence. One track one direction and the other the opposite. Not sure about tanks though.

Don't do it often though as it churns up the ground and can clog the tracks. We normally do a 'bucket turn'.

IT Minion · 2026-03-21T10:58:53+0000

noseall said:
Tracked machines we use can turn on a sixpence. One track one direction and the other the opposite. Not sure about tanks though.

Don't do it often though as it churns up the ground and can clog the tracks. We normally do a 'bucket turn'.

It's similar. It's possible but not advised as you can pop a tread easily especially in mud. And whilst they spin in a circle they're a nice stationary target.

NATO doctrine says slam it in reverse, USSR prefers a U turn. Except that opens up the weaker rear armour to whatever it is you're running away from...

Deluks · 2026-03-21T11:02:23+0000

Diver Fred said:
Otherwise, my thought - it has to be the Toyota Hi-Ace...

Good enough for the Taliban and Somalian militia.

Knowing the MOD, they'll get issued something which comes in at twice the original quote, breaks down if you drive over a squirrel, and needs extensive modification to make it usable.

Highway Man · 2026-03-21T13:55:17+0000

Deluks said:
Good enough for the Taliban and Somalian militia.

Knowing the MOD, they'll get issued something which comes in at twice the original quote, breaks down if you drive over a squirrel, and needs extensive modification to make it usable.

That has always been the case for anything the MOD put orders in for, it is precured through the government that utilises the Prince2 method that becomes outdated by the time of dellivery.

Highway Man · 2026-03-21T14:20:48+0000

This looks interesting and appears to be just what we have needed for about 10 years now.

Soldiers to get new AI capable radios, headsets and tablets with futuristic sensor data

British soldiers will be able to make faster, better decisions on the battlefield through thousands of new radios, headsets and tablets.

www.gov.uk

fillyboy · 2026-03-21T18:02:06+0000

Humvees look to be about one of the most versatile military vehicles around, I didn't realise they came in so many formats.

Tigercubrider · 2026-03-21T18:52:56+0000

Humvees are terrible.
they are too wide and are being phased out

They are looking at a BAE vehicle and Pinzgauer, merc, Toyota and BAE have vehicles in the testing.