lights / bonding in bathroom

[supersparks]

i think he means;

****ing hell, if someone as grossly incompetent as you can pass the domestic installer scheme then god help us all.

and to be honest, your not and in no way compitent nor in any way shape or form of such a word

 

[sijaysee]

super , were you being ironic with that last comment or are you just illitterutt ??

 

[supersparks]

yes, i was being illiterate

 

[sijaysee]

well done

 

[sijaysee]

and supersparks......why the chip on the shoulder? im not incompetent or incompatent or anything else....dont judge me because you dont know me.you are only here to sound clever but my view is that you lack something deep inside... i think you know what i mean....... whatever i do, i do my best to do it well. i am very competent in lots of things but am not bigheaded like you and your cronies. i only came onto this site for advice so that i could do the job right but it seems that you lot are only here to make cheap shots. you're not clever but only a little sad but i cant do much about that. oh well

 

[ban-all-sheds]

im not incompetent

so in my shower room where i have a basin , toilet and shower and lighting , i only have to cross bond the hot and cold pipes behind the basin.

i have fitted mains halogens in a shower room. there is only a phase and neutral connection to join to. what do i do with the earths?

this whole bonding business confuses me!!

(followed by a lot of posts showing just how true this is).

yea the earth goes from a joint box to the pull switch. i just wasnt sure what to do with the earths at each light fitting.

i have bought a \\\"shower pack\\\" which includes a 63 amp rcd and a 40 amp mcb. how do i connect into what is there? ... do i need to use a tails splitter? if so how do i isolate the incoming? pull the main fuse? ...or do i do it live??

 

[GnzYza]

Did you pass?

 

[Bazdaa]

and supersparks......why the chip on the shoulder? im not incompetent or incompatent or anything else....dont judge me because you dont know me.you are only here to sound clever but my view is that you lack something deep inside... i think you know what i mean....... whatever i do, i do my best to do it well. i am very competent in lots of things but am not bigheaded like you and your cronies. i only came onto this site for advice so that i could do the job right but it seems that you lot are only here to make cheap shots. you're not clever but only a little sad but i cant do much about that. oh well

Now where have I heard this before?

P.S. Although I agree with you Si. I think you are out of your depth on this one!

Bazdaa

 

[sijaysee]

bazdaa i may well be out of my depth but like i said before, i only came here for advice and sometimes i feel like some of the people here are just here to patronise. i think that the questions that i have asked here are quite valid and there IS a lot of confusion over bonding etc. espescially when the rules change as they do. for example i am told by certain people here that when i supplementary bond the bathroom , then it should be contained in that room. yet reg 601-04-01 states "the supplementary equipotential bonding may be provided in close proximity to the location" . not exactly what i was hearing from you pro's. not "must" or even "should" but "may". so do you see my point? I take it from the quote that if i cross bond the basin taps and then take my 4mm from the light pull switch to the shower pull switch and then to any cold water pipe in the house then thats complying with that reg.is that correct? I would appreciate only helpful comments if that at all possible

 

[Bazdaa]

No I was talking about the patronising comments.

BTW, I'm not a pro. Just some dude, who does some DIY here and there.

Bazdaa

 

[sijaysee]

bazdaa , sorry mate i wasnt having a go at you!! i DO realise that i need to gain some more knowledge and i know that you were talking about others who patronise. cheers mate i gotta go and rewire a house now.....but dont tell anyone!!

 

[Qedelec]

sijaysee

I can appreciate your frustration at this forum but please consider this is a DIY forum and you are clearly attempting to be a trade electrician. There is nothing wrong in asking advise as we all need a little help from time to time but when you are advised that a task seems beyond your experience, you would do well to take the advice.
I would suggest spending time with a local electrician (not one that snips off cpc's) and learn from them.
God knows we need more tradesmen but not if it puts lives at risk.
I hope this will put an end to this over long thread.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

i think that the questions that i have asked here are quite valid

Not for a qualified professional to ask.

and there IS a lot of confusion over bonding etc

A qualified professional should not be confused.

espescially when the rules change as they do

The rules haven't changed for a long time.

for example i am told by certain people here that when i supplementary bond the bathroom , then it should be contained in that room.

Yes, it should - what's confusing about that?

yet reg 601-04-01 states "the supplementary equipotential bonding may be provided in close proximity to the location" .

Yes, it may be provided in close proximity to the location, as an alternative to being provided at the location - what's confusing about that?

not exactly what i was hearing from you pro's. not "must" or even "should" but "may". so do you see my point?

I assume you're referring to this?:

all bonding muct be done in close proximity to the bathroom.

I agree - it could have been clearer. I guess he meant "close proximity" to mean a perimeter beyond which you shouldn't go, i.e. "all bonding must be done in, or in close proximity to, the bathroom".

I take it from the quote that if i cross bond the basin taps and then take my 4mm from the light pull switch to the shower pull switch and then to any cold water pipe in the house then thats complying with that reg.is that correct?

No - because "any cold water pipe in the house" is not the same as "in close proximity to the location". Take your supplementary equipotential bonding conductor from the cold pipe to the hot pipe and then to the pipe supplying the shower (assuming all these are metal pipes, and fed by metal pipes), and then to the cpc at the light pull switch and then to the cpc at the shower pull switch. (Or whatever sequence of connections makes sense given the layout)

 

[Lectrician]

Yep, thanks bas for clearing that up! My post could have been worded better, although it still seems fairly clear. I do not use the regs, and don't usually have them to hand when I respond to questions - answers are from my grey matter.

I think my answer was ok, just worded slightly ambiguously, especially when compared to the regs!

BAS's correction of my statement holds true and firm.

 

[sijaysee]

thanks for clearing that up ban.I still think that the reg is badly worded and even though you know what it is supposed to mean , anyone new (like me) could still take it the wrong way. To give you my scenario though ,i have a shower room which is downstairs. Dimensions are 2m x 2m. The main stopcock is in the room which is main bonded. I have a toilet, basin, shower and lights.If i cross bond the hot and cold, then do i have to take a 4mm to the shower cold feed bearing in mind that its the same pipe that feeds the basin and is probably no more than 4 feet away. The toilet intake is tee'd off as well as is between the basin and shower.Couldnt i just cross bond the basin and then take the 4mm to the shower and the light pull switches?