National Grooming Gangs Inquiry Announced

[Knave of Hearts]

WOW. What a horrid thing to say. Disagree strongly

There's plenty of evidence on here to suggest morqthana assumption is valid and justified.

You try to find a thread about Catholic or CofE sexaul abuse, and I'll find some threads about Asian sexual abuse.
Thread Headings:

National Grooming Gangs Inquiry Announced​

Rochdale abuse pair​

Rape gangs. Why does the Home Office minister not want a national public enquiry?​

Why is Badenough not speaking the truth?​

Rape gangs. Why does the Conservative Leader want another national public enquiry?​

Labour town hall ignoring warnings about grooming gangs​

Un ******* believable.​

Clapham attacker. No surprises there…​

Radicalisation under our very noses.​

And that's just in the last two years.
Many of you can probably guess who started the majority of those threads.
I haven't yet looked how frequently the topic of the other threads invariably wander into grooming gangs, etc.

 

[pete01]

Then why do so many people close their eyes and minds to any CSE issues which do not originate from people with a South Asian background?

Why, when abuse from "white ethnicities" and non "Muslim" groups is mentioned do so many people try to conflate that with trying to "excuse" the crimes of the subset of the population to which they are opposed?

Not gonna argue with you as we have turned a corner I think, but that is absolute rubbish

 

[Odds]

Can we clear up some apparent misunderstandings.
The Baroness Casey Inquiry dealt only with the grooming gangs in Greater Manchester, South and West Yorkshire.
This new Enquiry is a National Enquiry and was set up on Baroness Casey''s recommendation.

Grooming Definition Timeline

The Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA) report was published in 2022, with 20 recommendations for England and six for Wales. Since then, some progress has been made but further progress is required.

thirtyoneeight.org

At least one of those from the survivor's group resigned because: "They wanted to widen the inquiry, water it down"
That was its design, to widen the enquiry beyond the three Police regions.
Another reason given is that they were not allowed to discuss it with friends and family.
I shouldn't need to explain why this is a condition on the group.
If anyone feels the need for me to explain why that is a normal and natural condition, I'm happy to explain.

One of the group said,

Third survivor quits grooming gang inquiry panel

"Elizabeth" - who remains anonymous - says the process felt like "a cover-up" and "created a toxic environment".

www.bbc.co.uk

The role of the survivors group is to assist the enquiry, not to seek redress for the abuse that they suffered.
These three had already decided what the conclusion of the enquiry ought to be: "the racial and religious motivations behind our abuse"

That is exactly what the enquiry is set up to explore: whether there is any racial or religious motivation behind the abuse.
And it is a National enquiry, not limited to three police regions.

I'll ignore johnny2007 and Pete's disgusting accusations.
It's the kind of comment I expect from them.

From what i gather of Jess Phillips' speech in the HoC it seems the women want different levels of accountability and cannot agree on a single course of action - something a Chairperson could give direction to but they cannot agree on who'll chair the committee set up to inquire into the matter. Somebody needs to get their s. together.

 

[Knave of Hearts]

Not gonna argue with you as we have turned a corner I think, but that is absolute rubbish

You've turned a corner, you're going round the same block you've been going round for a long time.

 

[pete01]

You've turned a corner, you're going round the same block you've been going round for a long time.

I meant with him ya div, do keep up

 

[Knave of Hearts]

From what i gather of Jess Phillips' speech in the HoC it seems the women want different levels of accountability and cannot agree on a single course of action - something a Chairperson could give direction to but they cannot agree on who'll chair the committee set up to inquire into the matter. Somebody needs to get their s. together.

Yes the victims of the previous abuse want to target the enquiry simply into any motivation for the abuse to them, by Asian men.

I can understand their desire for closure, but the abusers have been tried, found guilty and are serving their sentences.

 

[Knave of Hearts]

I meant with him ya div, do keep up

I was speaking metaphorically , ya numpty.
if you need an explanation of the word 'metaphorically', ask wh hy man, he claims to be highly educated..
Maybe he meant his classroom was on the second floor.

 

[pete01]

I was speaking metaphorically

I dont care about the weather

 

[Knave of Hearts]

I dont care about the weather

That's Meteorologically, ya numpty.

 

[pete01]

That's Meteorologically, ya numpty.

Oh shhuutttt upppppp, cant even have a laff with ya jjeeezzzz

 

[Knave of Hearts]

Oh shhuutttt upppppp, cant even have a laff with ya jjeeezzzz

How's your stutter?
There are treatments. It's called language therapy.

Errr, don't bother.you'll struggle with the first word, 'language'.

 

[morqthana]

Lets not pretend we don't know whats going on.

Let's not pretend we don't know what's going on in your mind.

From the horses mouth
Elizabeth, who is from Rotherham, said she felt the process had been "scripted and predetermined", "rather than emerging from honest, open dialogue with survivors".

"This sense of control and stage-management has left many of us questioning whether our voices truly matter, or whether we are being used to legitimise decisions that have already been made," she added.

Ms Reynolds suggested having "establishment insiders representing the very systems that failed us" as potential chairs was a conflict of interest.

CYA conflicts of interest might well be a concern, as is often the case with enquiries into anything where things have gone wrong which might not have done so had officialdom done its job properly.

The three women have accused officials are trying to water down the inquiry by widening the scope beyond grooming gangs into broader issues of child sexual abuse and exploitation.

Surely they aren't saying that some victims of CSE deserve less consideration than others, on the basis of who the perpetrators are? How can anybody know if a particular section of society represents a disproportionate threat if the totality of the threat is not understood?

IF it turns out that the "grooming gangs" do NOT represent a disproportionate threat then the enquiry would have let down all the other victims of abuse by other groups.

Widening the scope does not mean "let's look into this instead", it means "let's look into this as well". Why would anyone not want the whole truth to be known?

Nobody is saying that there are no South Asian men targeting vulnerable white girls, just let's not pretend that that's the only thing we should be looking at.

Far more heads should roll within the Anglican and Catholic church hierarchies than have so far for the covering up and enabling the abusers in their communities than have so far. And by "roll" I don't mean resignations, or even sackings, I mean criminal charges.

This is what i find really upsetting, the same old issue it seems British citizens concerns are not of priority, anyone here arguing this is not the case, you clearly haven't had your daughter/sister/niece subjected to such a harrowing/permanent mental scars they and their family will have to somehow come to terms with.

You seem to be arguing that people whose concerns are not about grooming gangs should be a lesser priority.

 

[Brigadier]

"This sense of control and stage-management has left many of us questioning whether our voices truly matter, or whether we are being used to legitimise decisions that have already been made," she added.

This is what all enquiries - regardless of the government that sets them in motion - do.

The desired conclusion is decided, and the enquiry constructed and constrained so as to reach it.

All governments need to maintain a semblance of control.

"Never ask a question to which you don't know the answer".
"Never ask a question to which you don't want the answer".

 

[Mottie]

Two abuse survivors resign from the panel. They both smell a cover up in the making. One of them didn’t want it chaired by a police officer or a social worker because of a conflict of interest and on the news this morning, the other one said they were trying to steer it away from cultural and religious reasons. Not unlike certain people on this forum.

Two grooming gang survivors quit national inquiry panel

Fiona Goddard and Ellie-Ann Reynolds quit their roles in protest at how the government had handled the process.

www.bbc.co.uk

And another now.

Third survivor quits grooming gang inquiry panel

"Elizabeth" - who remains anonymous - says the process felt like "a cover-up" and "created a toxic environment".

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[festive]

Let's not pretend we don't know what's going on in your mind.




CYA conflicts of interest might well be a concern, as is often the case with enquiries into anything where things have gone wrong which might not have done so had officialdom done its job properly.




Surely they aren't saying that some victims of CSE deserve less consideration than others, on the basis of who the perpetrators are? How can anybody know if a particular section of society represents a disproportionate threat if the totality of the threat is not understood?

IF it turns out that the "grooming gangs" do NOT represent a disproportionate threat then the enquiry would have let down all the other victims of abuse by other groups.

Widening the scope does not mean "let's look into this instead", it means "let's look into this as well". Why would anyone not want the whole truth to be known?

Nobody is saying that there are no South Asian men targeting vulnerable white girls, just let's not pretend that that's the only thing we should be looking at.

Far more heads should roll within the Anglican and Catholic church hierarchies than have so far for the covering up and enabling the abusers in their communities than have so far. And by "roll" I don't mean resignations, or even sackings, I mean criminal charges.



You seem to be arguing that people whose concerns are not about grooming gangs should be a lesser priority.

You seem to misunderstand my point intentionally or not. You're cut from the same cloth as the others, end of conversation.