Outdoor socket addition

[beard79]

Good afternoon

We have conservatory sockets on their own ring circuit but are wanting to add one or two outdoor sockets for lighting rather than the extension lead out the window currently....

The sockets would be on the outside of conservatory wall in couple of locations not further down garden requiring armour etc.

Understand can spur off internal socket to new outdoor straight through wall for back -to- back install but/or would it be better to add the outdoor socket to the existing ring? Thinking latter for one socket especially as there is not an internal behind to spur from.

Thanks muchly

 

[AndyPRK]

Nah.

 

[Taylortwocities]

You can spur from one socket on the ring, but not add a second spur to the first.

Or you could spur from two different points on the ring final.

 

[bernardgreen]

When installing an outdoor socket it is sensible to supply that socket via a double pole isolator fitted inside the house.

This enables the socket to be isolated if ( when ) it becomes waterlogged or damaged. Without that isolation protective devices ( MCBs and/or RCD ) in the consumer unit are likely to operate and disconnect sockets and/or lighting inside the house.

 

[winston1]

When installing an outdoor socket it is sensible to supply that socket via a double pole isolator fitted inside the house.

This enables the socket to be isolated if ( when ) it becomes waterlogged or damaged. Without that isolation protective devices ( MCBs and/or RCD ) in the consumer unit are likely to operate and disconnect sockets and/or lighting inside the house.

This is often stated on here. However if a decent quality outdoor socket is installed properly it shouldn’t happen. I have 2 outside sockets installed by me 16 years ago and have never had a RCD trip due to either of them.

 

[AndyPRK]

It would have these benefits for the op

1) isolate if water logged
2) switch the external lights on off
3) fuse down the ring if adding 2 sockets using one cable

 

[JohnD]

I've know someone mow through the flex cable.

It would also be possible for a malicious person, burglar or practical joker to cut power in the house, tripping the RCD from the outside socket.

 

[Taylortwocities]

I've know someone mow through the flex cable.

It would also be possible for a malicious person, burglar or practical joker to cut power in the house, tripping the RCD from the outside socket.

 

[winston1]

It would have these benefits for the op

1) isolate if water logged
2) switch the external lights on off
3) fuse down the ring if adding 2 sockets using one cable

1. Won't happen if properly installed.
2. OK I'll accept that.
3. A double pole isolator (that was suggested) does not have a fuse. 2 sockets should not be added using one cable anyway.

 

[bernardgreen]

1. Won't happen if properly installed.

Winston! lives in a world where only one thing is not perfect and proper.

 

[AndyPRK]

3. Use common sense and fit an fcu instead. (If required )

 

[winston1]

I've know someone mow through the flex cable.

This will trip the main RCD whether there is an isolation switch or not.

It would also be possible for a malicious person, burglar or practical joker to cut power in the house, tripping the RCD from the outside socket.

Never known that happen.

 

[DetlefSchmitz]

Winston1 never wears a seat belt because he's never known his car to crash.

 

[winston1]

Winston1 never wears a seat belt because he's never known his car to crash.

Liar. What do you know about my driving habits? For your information I wore seat belts before they were compulsory.

 

[DetlefSchmitz]

Way to miss the point!