Ozzy Trade shortage

The missus family are all there, Oz citizens and thriving.

I have spoken to returnees .. In the main, and we all need to retain belief in ourselves, those who failed to 'make it' found every reason bar the obvious one.
My mate's dad took his family to Oz back in the late 50's ... Bought the building plot and a car - such that there was no easily funded route home ... From a tough start they have done very well - a brave pioneer.
Allegedly Churchill once said that "men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened."
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empip
with all respect ,
I know some come home with all excuses under the sun , etc ...
I have heard the same over regarding the blue collar trades though , lol

was even featured on the OP show about *working class trades* , how patronising is that ...lol

but aussies were never that sophisticated ...

back to my pal ....
he was Highly skilled an Over skilled for OZ ,an ran area teams of sparks

but was put doing 1st fixing works as like a labourer /trainee here , an any Positive good helpful input was met with ...
"Dont come the big man here , well your bottom of the pile now sonny jim , an just a whinging pom " .....slurs

so ok you all may know friends relatives who are enjoying the holiday lifestyle .....

BUT being a blue collar worker AN ENGLISH youre treat like the Irish an blacks /dogs were in London in the 70s , :( :(
 
Moz said:
I lived and worked there for 30 years

what ...in a blue collar trade ?
usually not .......
my pal said they were like trained up *chimps *,hopelessly inept ....lol
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...... :lol: :lol: ....." Your pal said". The evidence doesn't get any better.

The best percentage of families I met from the UK were doing very well over there. It's called "fitting in". Amazing thing really.......
 
Your pal said". The evidence doesn't get any better

loads of lads I have talked to who have returned , all time served workers , Plasterers , sparks, chippies ,

If you can accept the habitual daily racism /anti pom B/S ,an being put on lower wages ...like a second class citizen ,on sh*te projects an works
Yeah its a Great life ....Brilliant .....

Unless you have first hand view ?
an blue collar working lads (building trade )from the UK ARENT on second class wages as the Oz Norm ...?????

with respect to your self an your opinions , I CAN see if it IS different in other professions Health Care /IT etc .....
its just the building trade is still working the 70s brit stylee ..

will be talking with my sparks mate Pete tomorrow ,
an NO he aint a lightweight workshy yob .....
Tip top sound fella ...
 
I was working in Aus late 2004 and got the feeling talking to as many people as I could that a "good" job was hard to find and if you did find one you made sure you held onto it. The culture seemed to be one of hire and fire, one mistake and you are out, no second chances, finished.

I didn't find a laid back attitude to work either. Everyone seemed to work long hours and where I was working (construction industry - office based) people came in on Saturdays just to keep up with what they had missed during the week (probably unpaid but not sure of this).

I have heard that the mining industry is really booming at the moment and sucking in all sorts of trades so there is definatley a skills shortage. Wages are lower but petrol and food are cheaper.

Have to travel there again for a couple of weeks work so I'll see what the current situation is like for myself.
 
Moz. I worked fifteen years as a bricky and then got into a few other adventures before spending the last five years driving over size vehicles. As for the "whinging pom" thing, my philosiphy is give back as good as you get, if not resort to uncontrolled violence.... :lol: :lol: . Actually, the Aussies understand that quite well :wink:
 
hondacrm
Im Glad you gave an unbiased view here ...
for Oz or not ...

I couldnt careless ...

Im Just fearing this *the grass is greener syndrome * everyone was lauding here ...
Its B/S.....

If you are building trades ....
spend a few months there an talking with expats/poms ...

lifes cheap so is the workforce ...
regarding unions , lol unless youre there for over 3 yrs you cannot join the sparks union , then classed as *alien* member ...hmm :( :(
 
I don't know where I'm going with this, but I'm enjoying a cognac while I'm typing. Most of the union reps and officials that I met in Australia were from the UK (or they adopt those accents for the job). I was on several jobs where there was industrial action and the union that I was registered with was out in sympathy with some other union( giving me no choice). What I'm saying is the English guys did themselves no favours by going the way of the unions (not all). The impression I got was don't complain.... if you don't like it leave.....

As for the grass is allways greener .... do cows wear blinkers...??
 
slick50

that post was awful ...
an YOU should be ashamed of posting such like working men arent allowed *rights*, ...
OZ YES ...Poms .. we say anything we ARE sacked at the finish...

Charming !!!

Well get drunk an spiel more..

Truths on the OZ/English Workers Differences ....

maybe you will then apologise for your post before ...

when you slagged all UK workers off trying abroad ..........?
 
Hey Moz, I'm not trying to slag anybody. I'm just talking from my own experience. I wish we could all go where we wanted to with no problems,but that's not the way it is. What I found with the trades in Australia and the different nationalities (and there are lots of them) is that it is really hard to define the word union. For me also, I've been around for 50 years, and I still don't know what it means.....



I also apologise if I offended anybody.....
 
I lived there for 15 years,

Back then i was earning 18K per year. We bought a house in Sydney for 48K.

We'd paid it off in 5 years.

The main problem re trades is red tape. It's actually illegal to change your own tap washer.

A plumber was fined for working on drains - that's a drainers job.

If you buy a light switch it will have no instructions - that's a Sparkies job.

All builders have to be licenced.

It's a red tape nightmare.
 
I accept youre some what ...apology ..

not unreserved ......but humble ;)

lets just move on , forget it .......:)
 
joe

on your lifestyle an the OZ works

sounds very similar today .......

Please give your input .... :)
 
Moz said:
gasguru

"the reputation of trades in this country is abysmal and our standard of qualifications is pitifully low"

I take huge offence to that stupid comment ...
Its a shame we have a society that is quicker to comdemn our trades lads /lasses here ...an Never support the Good fully skilled person here ...
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I stand by my comments, and feel fully justified in saying so. I work predominently in SE London - I don't know any other trade I would recommend to do the job on time/on budget (at a fair rate) and to current regulations - and I am constantly asked by customers if I can recommend other trades.

Just about everyone of my customers has had a previous bad experience of plumbers/heating installers in the past (and have the receipts and the shoddy work to show me).

Qualifying in much of our trades is farcical. Look at the percentage pass rates for ACS for instance. You actually have to provide "incorrect" answers for some of the papers as the questions are so poorly written. Anything with near 100% pass rates becomes devalued and worthless just as GCSE's have become. How about C&G PAT testing - it takes all of 5 minutes to do the exam but you're allowed an hour.

Take for example the 30 or so candidates (including myself) going through ACS for the first time 5 years ago, I would say only 3 of us really knew what we were doing. That didn't stop the assesors passing everyone though. It should have taken no more than 2 days to get though it but you sit around all day and it takes a week while you wait for the dross to get through the assemments. Have a look at the basic questions asked on the plumbing forum by the newly qualified - some are unbelievable.

No trade bodies have any teeth and none want to rock the boat (since they know what a shambolic mess our trades have become and they rely on income from the very people they are regulating).

Only this week I have visited 2 new boiler installations - both installed by registered installers - both with At Risk faults - one had 10 seperate faults. This is typical of my locality. CORGI is irrelevent around here. 80% of boiler installs aren't notified. Nearly 80% of LGSR are fraudulant ie incorrectly filled out and without the necessary checks being carried out.
CORGI have spreadsheets with all the supporting evidence but choose to do nothing.


If the Australians really do prohibit homeowners from gas/plumbing/electrical diy then that has to be a good thing; so does keeping a tight reign on their trades. It can only benefit everyone in the long term. Shame its not the same here.

And on a lighter note - I went to live in New Zealand via Aus in the seventies on this wreck - it took 5 weeks - and was a bit more seaworthy then (but only just since it was built before WW2) :)

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