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[conny]

Is it wrong to commit an evil man to such an establishment knowing he will be living his life in fear and in danger?

Not at all. He instilled fear into 2 innocent school children.
Now let it be instilled in him for the rest of his days and may they be many.

 

[Blasphemous]

...but you just said that both were a state of mind.

I was outlining what the 'experts' slant is on it.

I don't know why Ian Huntley did what he did and to be honest I would never even want to be so f**ked up that I DID understand it...but he must of had his reasons...
...just like we have our reasons to hate him.
A murderer is a murderer. We can democratically decide that one murder is more acceptable to us personally, but it is still one person killing another.

Well obviously it's one person killing another but the two CANNOT be 'the same'. Huntley is evil. If one of the fathers/mothers killed him they WOULD NOT be evil. Surely you can see that?

Well?

 

[skitzee2k]

...but you just said that both were a state of mind.

I was outlining what the 'experts' slant is on it.

I don't know why Ian Huntley did what he did and to be honest I would never even want to be so f**ked up that I DID understand it...but he must of had his reasons...
...just like we have our reasons to hate him.
A murderer is a murderer. We can democratically decide that one murder is more acceptable to us personally, but it is still one person killing another.

Well obviously it's one person killing another but the two CANNOT be 'the same'. Huntley is evil. If one of the fathers/mothers killed him they WOULD NOT be evil. Surely you can see that?

...it is the same as in someone killed someone through desire to do so.
The difference is that we agree with the desire from one of them.

 

[skitzee2k]

It is not evil to want to punish a man for committing an evil crime, it is called justice.

If that punishment involves spending the rest of his life in prison and in fear then so be it.

Is it wrong to commit an evil man to such an establishment knowing he will be living his life in fear and in danger?

...yet again ...evil is subjective. There is no objective definition of 'Evil'.

 

[Blasphemous]

...but you just said that both were a state of mind.

I was outlining what the 'experts' slant is on it.

I don't know why Ian Huntley did what he did and to be honest I would never even want to be so f**ked up that I DID understand it...but he must of had his reasons...
...just like we have our reasons to hate him.
A murderer is a murderer. We can democratically decide that one murder is more acceptable to us personally, but it is still one person killing another.

Well obviously it's one person killing another but the two CANNOT be 'the same'. Huntley is evil. If one of the fathers/mothers killed him they WOULD NOT be evil. Surely you can see that?

...it is the same as in someone killed someone through desire to do so.
The difference is that we agree with the desire from one of them.

But you just said...

Agreed... and as long as those people trying to kill Huntley agree they are no better than him there isn't a problem with that argument.

That looks to me as though you're saying that someone who wants to kill Huntley is no better than Huntley. Am I reading that right skitzee?

 

[dextrous]

It is not evil to want to punish a man for committing an evil crime, it is called justice.

If that punishment involves spending the rest of his life in prison and in fear then so be it.

Is it wrong to commit an evil man to such an establishment knowing he will be living his life in fear and in danger?

The problem is when having incarcerated the person and condemned him to such a life, we enjoy hearing of his sufferings and feel vindicated in our hatred and vengeance and laugh, applaud and joke at this act of barbarism in our name. This isn't anything to do with "justice" or self preservation or utilitarianism; it is the manifestation of the "feelings" that huntley exhibited in his acts in the first place.

I hate what he did since like all on here and unlike him, I have the ability to imagine and empathise with the victims (and their families), just as I hate others who have committed similar acts. I can understand the arguments against hanging and accept that a quick termination is in nobody's interest for a whole host of reasons. What I cannot do is to cheer and bray with excitement when I hear of these people being hunted and beaten and maimed, because to do so would mean that we're not as far from their way of thinking as we would wish.

 

[skitzee2k]

...but you just said that both were a state of mind.

I was outlining what the 'experts' slant is on it.

I don't know why Ian Huntley did what he did and to be honest I would never even want to be so f**ked up that I DID understand it...but he must of had his reasons...
...just like we have our reasons to hate him.
A murderer is a murderer. We can democratically decide that one murder is more acceptable to us personally, but it is still one person killing another.

Well obviously it's one person killing another but the two CANNOT be 'the same'. Huntley is evil. If one of the fathers/mothers killed him they WOULD NOT be evil. Surely you can see that?

...it is the same as in someone killed someone through desire to do so.
The difference is that we agree with the desire from one of them.

But you just said...

Agreed... and as long as those people trying to kill Huntley agree they are no better than him there isn't a problem with that argument.

That looks to me as though you're saying that someone who wants to kill Huntley is no better than Huntley. Am I reading that right skitzee?

No, what i said is if someone KILLED Huntley they would be no better than Huntley as they had killed...

 

[skitzee2k]

It is not evil to want to punish a man for committing an evil crime, it is called justice.

If that punishment involves spending the rest of his life in prison and in fear then so be it.

Is it wrong to commit an evil man to such an establishment knowing he will be living his life in fear and in danger?

The problem is when having incarcerated the person and condemned him to such a life, we enjoy hearing of his sufferings and feel vindicated in our hatred and vengeance and laugh, applaud and joke at this act of barbarism in our name. This isn't anything to do with "justice" or self preservation or utilitarianism; it is the manifestation of the "feelings" that huntley exhibited in his acts in the first place.

I hate what he did since like all on here and unlike him, I have the ability to imagine and empathise with the victims (and their families), just as I hate others who have committed similar acts. I can understand the arguments against hanging and accept that a quick termination is in nobody's interest for a whole host of reasons. What I cannot do is to cheer and bray with excitement when I hear of these people being hunted and beaten and maimed, because to do so would mean that we're not as far from their way of thinking as we would wish.

Completely agree. This is why I am no fan of Capital Punishment.

 

[dextrous]

No, what i said is if someone KILLED Huntley they would be no better than Huntley as they had killed...

Would that not depend on whether they enjoyed performing the act?

 

[skitzee2k]

No, what i said is if someone KILLED Huntley they would be no better than Huntley as they had killed...

Would that not depend on whether they enjoyed performing the act?

Not really, Huntley killed from desire, and hypothetically this person has killed Huntley from desire.

All that is different is how much we can understand that desire.

 

[Blasphemous]

No, what i said is if someone KILLED Huntley they would be no better than Huntley as they had killed...

So if one of their mothers and/or fathers KILLED Huntley they'd be 'NO BETTER THAN' him?

 

[dextrous]

No, what i said is if someone KILLED Huntley they would be no better than Huntley as they had killed...

Would that not depend on whether they enjoyed performing the act?

Not really, Huntley killed from desire, and hypothetically this person has killed Huntley from desire.

All that is different is how much we can understand that desire.

Okey dokey. I can live with this argument (for the moment, at face value )

 

[skitzee2k]

No, what i said is if someone KILLED Huntley they would be no better than Huntley as they had killed...

So if one of their mothers and/or fathers KILLED Huntley they'd be 'no better than' him?

They'd be murderers..just like him. They would be sentenced to prison...just like him, the only difference is that we would understand why they did it, we don't understand why Huntley did it.

 

[dextrous]

No, what i said is if someone KILLED Huntley they would be no better than Huntley as they had killed...

So if one of their mothers and/or fathers KILLED Huntley they'd be 'no better than' him?

This does make sense blas.

 

[Blasphemous]

No, what i said is if someone KILLED Huntley they would be no better than Huntley as they had killed...

So if one of their mothers and/or fathers KILLED Huntley they'd be 'no better than' him?

They'd be murderers..just like him. They would be sentenced to prison...just like him, the only difference is that we would understand why they did it, we don't understand why Huntley did it.

NO! You said 'they'd be NO BETTER THAN HIM'! Are you f***ing serious?