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Can anybody point me at the technical requirements for Class II appliances?

I've got some metal luminaires which contain single-insulated conductors, running through a metal tube to push-on connectors where you are supposed to connect your T/E cores, and I'm curious to know how this counts as a double insulated item.....
 
I'd imagine that it passes the flash test, between the L-N wires cores and outer of the exposed metal parts the cables are mechanically protected against damage by the tubes.
However, if there is any risk of those cores moving inside the tubes, it probably doesn't really make the grade, and has been self-certified by a company that is sailing close to the wind, as you describe it it sounds almost class 0, i.e. no earth and single fault to fail, I'd be happer if you said the wires were sleeved.

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from IEC60601-1 REQUIREMENTS

Philosophy

The underlying philosophy of the IEC60601-1 harmonized standards is that equipment must be safe in normal condition (NC) and single fault condition (SFC).

Likely to Occur (Normal Condition)

· Reverse polarity of supply mains
· Failure of insulation less than basic

Could Occur (Single Fault Condition)

· Interruption of protective earth
· Interruption of one supply conductor
· Mains voltage on floating (F-type) applied part(s)
· Mains voltage on communication ports
· Failure of electrical components, one at a time
· Failure of mechanical parts, one at a time
· Failure of temperature limiting devices, one at a time
· Shorting of basic or supplemental insulation
· Overload of mains supply transformers
· Interruption and short circuit of motor capacitors
· Locking of moving parts
· Impairment of cooling (fans, vents)

Unlikely to Occur (Not evaluated)

· Total breakdown of double or reinforced insulation
· Loss of protective earth on permanently installed equipment
· More than one Single Fault Condition at a time
· Failure of a UL Recognized optocoupler barrier
· Failure of a UL Recognized Y1 capacitor, acting as a barrier
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sadly the standard itself is quite pricey.

regards M.
 
trowelhead said:
not meant rudely,B-A-S just asked for an answer! :shock: :wink: :wink: :wink:

thats what i was thinkin when i first read his post
 
Thanks for that.

What I've got are these:

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Everything that looks like metal in the photo is - chrome plated brass.

They were supplied with silicone sleeving for the house wiring, but the internal wiring is definitely single insulated.

Also, those connector blocks are not screw-type - the wires just push in, and in reality there's nowhere near as much room as I show - it's all a tight fit and the wires do end up bunched up and forced against the walls of the tube....
 
to be honest i would earth the thing (stick one of the fixing screws through a crimp on lug or solder the earth on)

i agree the manufacturer has done a really ****ty job.
 
That might be as well, as I said before its probably a "self certify", and unless someone complains, they will keep making them that way. The really do sound like class 0, and therfore not really OK for the UK.
:)


In general, trading standards, like many 'complaint driven ' things is only as good as the complaints from people who know what they are doing, if you succeed in getting the maker to tighten up, you may well be doing someone less knowledgable a great favour.
regards M
 
ban-all-sheds said:
It's done.

I'll let you all know what happens....

I had similar on some supposedly class2 IP45 bathroom lights. They were no more class2 then my granny. Had to earth the things in the end. Just as well they were bought for IP rating and not class rating. Shouldn't be allowed to get away with calling them class2.
 

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