Shamima was smuggled in by WESTERN inteligence!

[Notch7]

Seeing public services clogged up with immigrants

Right wing bullsh1t


public services are at point of collapse due to Tory underfunding for 12 years.

and that housing crisis - let’s start with Margaret Thatcher flogging 1.6 million council houses.



why do we have a shortage of doctors?
1) Brexit
2) Tory tax rules meaning doctors are better off retiring than working

 

[Pat ex]

Right wing bullsh1t


public services are at point of collapse due to Tory underfunding for 12 years.

and that housing crisis - let’s start with Margaret Thatcher flogging 1.6 million council houses.



why do we have a shortage of doctors?
1) Brexit
2) Tory tax rules meaning doctors are better off retiring than working

It's always been the way.
Tories reduce public services and blame others for the poor state of public services. It's their MO.

They voted against the formation of the NHS 21 times, and now they exploit any additional funding to the NHS as a Tory flagship policy.

Everything they promise or claim is merely a popularist policy to help them gain or remain in power.

 

[Mottie]

Right wing bullsh1t


public services are at point of collapse due to Tory underfunding for 12 years.

and that housing crisis - let’s start with Margaret Thatcher flogging 1.6 million council houses.



why do we have a shortage of doctors?
1) Brexit
2) Tory tax rules meaning doctors are better off retiring than working

I thought you'd be happy this morning, seeing your arch-enemy leaving office. Cheer up you miserable bastard!

 

[motorbiking]

The pension tax rules are bonkers. But any changes should apply for everyone. Lets not forget that it was Gordon Brown who first raided pensions and paved the way for the end of final salary schemes.

 

[Pat ex]

The pension tax rules are bonkers. But any changes should apply for everyone. Lets not forget that it was Gordon Brown who first raided pensions and paved the way for the end of final salary schemes.

Robert Maxwell was the first.
What Brown did was to scrap the tax relief on pension payments.
And what Margaret Thatcher did was to halve the pension of widows and widowers.

 

[fillyboy]

It's always been the way.
Tories reduce public services and blame others for the poor state of public services. It's their MO.

They voted against the formation of the NHS 21 times, and now they exploit any additional funding to the NHS as a Tory flagship policy.

Everything they promise or claim is merely a popularist policy to help them gain or remain in power.

Doctors were against it as well as they saw a reduction of earnings, of 45,148 doctors polled, only 4,734 were in favour of forming the nhs. Only by allowing GP's to operate as private businesses did they eventually approve.

 

[fillyboy]

why do we have a shortage of doctors?

2) Tory tax rules meaning doctors are better off retiring than working

Taxing the better off more?, ******* outrageous.

 

[Pat ex]

Doctors were against it as well as they saw a reduction of earnings, of 45,148 doctors polled, only 4,734 were in favour of forming the nhs. Only by allowing GP's to operate as private businesses did they eventually approve.

Doctors were not against the formation of the NHS, per se. What they (the BMA) objected to was the direct employment of doctors by the state.
The compromise was to pay doctors per patient, and to allow them to continue some private practice, if they wished, what you'd call 'foreigners'..

 

[fillyboy]

Doctors were not against the formation of the NHS, per se.

Yes they were, as were trade unions.

 

[Notch7]

Taxing the better off more?, ******* outrageous.

Liz Truss wants to change the rules.

only sensible thing she has come up with.

 

[Notch7]

Yes they were, as were trade unions.

The Tories were against it the most.

they voted against it 28 times

 

[Pat ex]

Yes they were, as were trade unions.

Even more serious was the opposition of doctors who disliked the idea of becoming employees of the state.

What resistance was there to the formation of the NHS? | Towards a New Jerusalem | West End at War

With the new government determined to establish some kind of new national health service and the BMA stridently opposed to the idea of doctors being directly-employed by the state on set salaries,
Eventually Bevan conceded the continuation of contractor status for doctors, retaining “capitation” – the arrangement whereby doctors were paid per registered patient.

British Medical Association

The British Medical Association (BMA) was founded in Worcester in July 1832 as the Provincial Medical and Surgical Association, a collective organisation for doctors. Established in the midst of a cholera outbreak, the association was initially established for the sharing of scientific and...

peopleshistorynhs.org

There was understandable anxiety among the profession that their business model, and the comfortable lifestyles it enabled, would be under threat from being forced into the employ of the public sector.

So how did Bevan deal with this opposition from the very people we would have expected him to be able to count on for support? Well, Mr Hunt, pay attention. First, Bevan recognised he couldn’t run his new, ‘utopian’ vision without the support of the staff that were to make it up. Without doctors, consultants, nurses and surgeons there could be no NHS. Bevan recognised the 1944 White Paper ‘A National Health Service’ had been supported across the House, and, according to the results of a questionnaire issued by the BMA, the majority of doctors.

Thus, it wasn’t the principle of nationalised healthcare which was objected to, but the implementation.

NHS @ 70: 1940s - It started with a bang: Bevan and the BMA

www.publicaffairsnetworking.com

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Yes they were, as were trade unions.

It wasnt quite as simple as that.

It was the prospect of losing their big money customers (patients) that they objected to, not the principle of the nhs itself.

 

[fillyboy]

It wasnt quite as simple as that.

It really was that simple.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

It really was that simple.

if you say so. History doesn't though