Starmer's treachery

[ellal]

I wouldn't call Pakistan islamic extremists.

There is difference between being a muslim and being an islamist extremist. But you like to conflate someone that doesn't like islamic extremists as automatically anti muslim and in that assumption you are categorically wrong.

Well you then differ from a lot of the RW/deform followers on here...

They don't like the followers of islam full stop and label them all in the same group!

But getting back to the point, Pakistan has a deterrent because it has two bordering nuclear neighbours...

Ironically all western members of the 'nuclear club' don't...

Neither does israel, or nor would it have should Iran get the bomb...

So the question is, who is under threat from whom and why would a country want a deterrence?

Why does israel need the bomb?

 

[MNW67]

Which bit of my post is nonsense?

Did Starmer **** of the Americans by not allowing them to use our bases?
Yes
Did Iran attack RAF Akrotiri?
Yes
Has Starmer ended up allowing the Americans to use our bases anyway?
Yes

I'd say i was pretty factually accurate.

Everything you wrote stemmed from your erroneous claim that Iran was a danger to us and that therefore the war was legal. That is why I said it was all nonsense. Even the top US military guy said that Iran was no imminent threat. The nuclear threat has been contained both by Obama's agreement and more latterly by the bombing. The long range ballistic missile programme was only at a planning stage.

There was absolutely no reason to attack. The war is completely illegal and therefore we are not legally allowed to support any offensive actions. We are dealing with a capricious man child who has gone to war for reasons he is unwilling to properly explain either to Congress or to his own citizens. Trump's own military chiefs are against it as is the great majority of the US public.

But for some reason, without knowing what it is meant to achieve, you believe we should support it. Trump wants allies on board so he can say that it is not just him and Netanyahu. The British public know better and are overwhelmingly against it. Starmer is 100% correct in this decision.

 

[blup]

I have no idea why Starmer is refusing to support our ally, Donald Trump, in his actions in Iran. I can only assume that if you follow the money to whoever is pulling the strings of his (probably illegal) occupation of Downing Street you'll get your answer.

However, what is true is that his decisions will inevitably provoke sanctions from Donald, foreseeably so.

There is a word for someone who deliberately acts or lobbies to provoke a foreign power to attack their own country: Traitor.

Today's PMQs is going to be epic. I cannot wait for Nigel's scolding of the traitor. Cannot wait.

The weasel words of a quisling

 

[blup]

Which bit of my post is nonsense?

Did Starmer **** of the Americans by not allowing them to use our bases?
Yes

Thank goodness, courageous of him to do so

Did Iran attack RAF Akrotiri?
Yes

That engaged our right to self defence

Has Starmer ended up allowing the Americans to use our bases anyway?
Yes

“Ended up” implies he knew what was coming, our wonderful ally - Trumpf that is not the American public - didn’t have the courtesy to inform us he was about to attack. That is what left RAF Aktari exposed and why Starmy is acting now

I'd say i was pretty factually accurate.

Selectively and out of context. Knocking the PM at every opportunity is a right wing game but this crosses the line

 

[MNW67]

This seems a sensible and rational answer at PMQs:

“What I was not prepared to do on Saturday was for the UK to join a war unless I was satisfied there was a lawful basis and a viable, thought through plan,” Starmer says. “That remains my position.”

Polling shows only one in ten Brits think we should join the bombing.

 

[motorbiking]

Starmer's too busy talking at events like this, which in my opinion should not be taking place anywhere near our corridors of power.

PM says UK 'not involved' with Iran attacks despite Trump jibe

Keir Starmer made his latest attempt to wash his hands of the US president's military campaign in a speech to Muslims breaking Ramadan fast last night.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Is that a church?

 

[charliegolf]

I have no idea why Starmer is refusing to support our ally, Donald Trump, in his actions in Iran. I can only assume that if you follow the money to whoever is pulling the strings of his (probably illegal) occupation of Downing Street you'll get your answer.

However, what is true is that his decisions will inevitably provoke sanctions from Donald, foreseeably so.

There is a word for someone who deliberately acts or lobbies to provoke a foreign power to attack their own country: Traitor.

Today's PMQs is going to be epic. I cannot wait for Nigel's scolding of the traitor. Cannot wait.

Your meds might need a tweak.

 

[charliegolf]

I am going to respectfully decline to get involved in conspiracy theories.

Other than for illegal occupations of Downing Street, presumably?

 

[blup]

Is that a church?

Looks like a place of worship. Some Us military commanders are claiming it’s a holy war, but it’s our kind of holy war, so that’s ok

 

[JohnD]

I've heard it said that when an angry toddler persistently abuses and insults his closest friends and allies, and their national leaders, and declares crippling trade wars against them, he should not be surprised if they don't rally round when he wants their help.

 

[blup]

I have no idea why Starmer is refusing to support our ally, Donald Trump, in his actions in Iran.

It’s not rocket science, he wants to avoid ww3 but also conscious of the impact of the recent by election result. It’s called politics, your hero Don plays at it

 

[Lower]

“Ended up” implies he knew what was coming, our wonderful ally - Trumpf that is not the American public - didn’t have the courtesy to inform us he was about to attack. That is what left RAF Aktari exposed and why Starmy is acting now

Selectively and out of context. Knocking the PM at every opportunity is a right wing game but this crosses the line

The US did tell us what was coming, hence their request to use our bases. From what i've read, they didn't share the exact timing because the Israelis spotted an opportunity to kill the Iranian Leadership, so acted decisively. Something that our PM is fundamentally unable to do.

It should have been clear to Starmer that once missiles started flying, there was only one direction of travel and that is that we would end up involved in some form. He didn't have to agree to use our (limited) forces against Iran, but he should have agreed to allow the US to use their airbases based in the UK and Diego Garcia. We've just now ended up with the worst of both worlds, something that seems to be a recurrent theme with Starmer.

He really has to be the most ineffective prime minister we've ever had. I accept that in a democracy we will get governments that do things i don't support, but Starmer's ineptitude is staggering, verging on treasonous.

 

[JohnD]

Davey asks if our taxpayers should bear the cost of rescuing tax exiles.

https://www.facebook.com/reel/2383744942046526

 

[pete01]

Davey asks if our taxpayers should bear the cost of rescuing tax exiles.

https://www.facebook.com/reel/2383744942046526

No fek em I say

 

[diy_fun_uk]

Is that a church?

Westminster Hall