Starmer's treachery

morqthana said:
You cared enough to write this:



So what is it you don't care about? Truth? Being rational?




Everybody has the right to respond to/reply to posts here, and to ask questions prompted by posts, provided they do so within the rules.

So this was perfectly reasonable, and perfectly reasonably worded:



and I had every right to ask you those.

I get that you don't like to be asked questions, but I'm afraid it comes with the territory. If you don't want people to respond to what you post the only way is for you to not post anything, thus cutting off the supply of material to be responded to.

And to pre-empt any nonsense from people deluded enough to think they would have some credibility if they claimed that that is me saying you don't have the right to post, it clearly is absolutely not. It's just pointing out the reality that the only way you can prevent being questioned is to join the billions of people in the world who don't get questioned here because they don't post here.
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Errrrr... yes?

I don't know. Whatever.
 
Vinty said:
A bit more than a conspiracy, why would Hezbollah send a Drone to a British base when they knew that by doing so it would give Starmer the pretext he needed to join in the attack on Iran.
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The debris and satellite trail should identify who fired it and where from?
 
blup said:
The debris and satellite trail should identify who fired it and where from?
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It may identify where it came from but it won't identify who fired it.
If you remember that the Israeli's were deep inside Iran and firing drones all over the place.
It probably came from somewhere in Lebanon, they could have used a proxie or even done it themselves.
If you consider that Netanyahu ordered a preemptive strike in order to force Trump to attack Iran, it isn't outside the realm of possibility that they could employ a similar deception to force Starmers hand.
 
MNW67 said:
What a load of silly nonsense.

Iran was no danger to us.
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Like Iraq all over again.

Bush got Bliar to be his poodle over non-existent WMDs. Yes, SH wasn't a good man, but he wasn't the global threat Bush and Blair made him out to be.

Now Trump has steamed into a war the Democrats are not happy about and he (and the Torys and Farage) are bleating about Starmer's inaction.

IMO, I can understand his reluctance to get involved.

I watched a video today of Farage bleating on about how Starmer had done nothing and that Iran have publically executed 5000 gay people.
They have sponsored Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis over the last 10 years and they were the cause of what happened on October 7th...

Sorry, Nigel.

Did those beloved Tories you are welcoming with open arms do anything about any of these things when they were in power?

Indeed, most of what you spoke about happened under the Tories...

You are a pile of hypocrisy.
 
It's all worked out very well. Using the principle of collective responsibility. The country is 90% behind the government on this.

Those with more open minds will understand that there are always disagreements and that is why the deliberations are kept secret.
 
MNW67 said:
It's all worked out very well. Using the principle of collective responsibility. The country is 90% behind the government on this.
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Not great for Starmer effectively being "overruled" by the cabinet.

Meanwhile Labour -2% in the polls.

He they definitely made the right decision to stay out of it, P** up in brewery would be a challenge.

But the reality is its just a matter of time before we get dragged in.
 
Vinty said:
It may identify where it came from but it won't identify who fired it.
If you remember that the Israeli's were deep inside Iran and firing drones all over the place.
It probably came from somewhere in Lebanon, they could have used a proxie or even done it themselves.
If you consider that Netanyahu ordered a preemptive strike in order to force Trump to attack Iran, it isn't outside the realm of possibility that they could employ a similar deception to force Starmers hand.
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Not out if the realms of possibility but very difficult to hide the source after the event
 
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