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The two Bobs

After thinking about this quite a bit, I believe that it is sometimes possible to separate out hatred for an army from hatred for a people. The British Army came to be hated by many Catholics in Northern Ireland. If they had chanted "Death to the British Army", would that have been a hate crime.
 
Bikerboy doesn't like to see racism, apartheid and genocide criticised.

When it is performed by Israel's racist regime.
 
I can't imagine that the Israeli government really wants this to go to trial. A jury would almost certainly find the singer not guilty. And that would legitimise the use of these slogans.
 
MNW67 said:
After thinking about this quite a bit, I believe that it is sometimes possible to separate out hatred for an army from hatred for a people. The British Army came to be hated by many Catholics in Northern Ireland. If they had chanted "Death to the British Army", would that have been a hate crime.
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They used to mate. It wasn't looked upon as a crime back then similar to when drink driving wasn't a crime. It was still frowned upon if you was brave enough to voice your opinion..
 
MNW67 said:
After thinking about this quite a bit, I believe that it is sometimes possible to separate out hatred for an army from hatred for a people. The British Army came to be hated by many Catholics in Northern Ireland. If they had chanted "Death to the British Army", would that have been a hate crime.
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Our hate laws didn't exist then. Just as "kill the Germans" during WW2 wasn't a problem, or even "no Blacks, Irish or Dogs" in room adverts during the 1970s.

But today they exist. Posting on a public forum or chanting to an audience on stage etc. The law recognises that incitement is a powerful tool. Whether its spreading a little hate - claiming antisemitism is a trick or there aren't many nice jews or even using proxy words Islamist to mean Muslims, Zionist to mean Jew etc.

It's odd that those who claim to speak up against racism (e.g. the two Bobs), don't have a problem with their own.
 
MNW67 said:
I can't imagine that the Israeli government really wants this to go to trial. A jury would almost certainly find the singer not guilty. And that would legitimise the use of these slogans.
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Perverse Verdicts are part of the Justice system. I don't think a jury would "certainly find the singer not guilty.", but there is a chance.
 
Highway Man said:
They used to mate. It wasn't looked upon as a crime back then similar to when drink driving wasn't a crime.
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motorbiking said:
Our hate laws didn't exist then.
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OMG

Obviously the hate laws didn't exist back then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It was a thought experiment. To inform the discussion. The point is whether chanting "Death to the British Army" would have been a hate crime if these laws were in place at the time.
 
MNW67 said:
OMG

Obviously the hate laws didn't exist back then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It was a thought experiment. To inform the discussion. The point is whether chanting "Death to the British Army" would have been a hate crime if these laws were in place at the time.
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Of course it would, chanting the death of anyone regardless who they are, military or not would be considered a hate crime today.
 
MNW67 said:
OMG

Obviously the hate laws didn't exist back then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It was a thought experiment. To inform the discussion. The point is whether chanting "Death to the British Army" would have been a hate crime if these laws were in place at the time.
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Yes.
MNW67 said:
"Almost certainly" is what I wrote.
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I'm not disagreeing but, I think it might be more in the balance.
 
I see Bob Vylan has a US tour coming up. I wonder if he'll have problems getting a visa.
 
State Department are reviewing the visa of Pascal Robinson-Foster - so that sounds like a yes.
 
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