There are some sick people in this country.

[King Billy]

Did you mean to paste this in, or were you doing some sort of therapy homework at the same time and pasted it by accident?

It's a well known saying about the transition from the incomplete, simple understanding of childhood to the maturity and clarity of adulthood.
It speaks to the lifelong journey of personal growth, where we continuously replace our earlier, naive perspectives with deeper reason, responsibility, and wisdom.
I'm not surprised you aren't aware of that.
Being aware of your attention deficiency, I brevitated it.

You may notice the words used, "I put away those childish thoughts".
I didn't forget them, I didn't grow out of them, They're still there if or when I want them, for fun, games, or to recognise and ridicule others' childish thoughts.

 

[King Billy]

I would. Some would be much safer and happier in a big old country house inside a huge fence with a team of people looking after them.

Stimuli is important for mental health, for everybody.
But it must be at the right level because too much stimuli, for the patient, can have negative consequence, just as too little can.

A lack of stimulation or prolonged isolation can lead to under-arousal in the nervous system.

• Cognitive Decline: Long periods without mental engagement can impair memory, attention, and executive function.
• Depressive Symptoms: Environments lacking interaction or interest can trigger feelings of apathy, helplessness, and low mood.

But not every mentally ill patient is suitable for Care in the Community.

"Care in the Community" was just money-saving wrapped up in a kind-sounding disguise.

Care in the Community was designed to provide the required stimuli to help recovery of mentally ill people.
It is not only cheaper, it is also more effective than institutionalisation.

 

[King Billy]

Yet another idiot claiming he'd be a 'hero', when the honest answer is unless you were there you wouldn't know what you would do at any given point in time

That is why first responders train frequently and often for unimaginable scenarios.

Untrained reactions in emergencies are often both risky and ineffective. Driven by primal instincts, an untrained brain frequently relies on impulsive actions or falls into the "freeze" response, both of which can compromise safety and complicate professional response efforts.

and

Scenario-based examinations are standard for first responders and emergency personnel. Candidates are evaluated on their ability to assess, prioritize, and manage realistic field emergencies.

A little anecdote I once heard, of a child been saved from 'drowning', it wasn't that serious apparently, but the parent ( a non-swimmer jumped in).
The adult needed rescuing, and the child was talked to the side.
The child was unharmed and the parent needed treatment for shock.
No-one was seriously hurt.

Sometimes, in work place accidents or incidents, the place is closed, as much out of respect for any casualties, but also because some of the workforce are suffering from shock and have to be sent home, leaving the site unsafe due to staff absences.

Again, training ensures the first responder remains calm and disciplined in their approach.

 

[King Billy]

In certain situations, there would be no time to draw up a risk register, score each identified risk, determine mitigation steps and then proceed

I don't have kids so can't comment on that front. However I have nieces and nephews. You are right, none of us really know what we'd do in any given situation. However, I can near as damn it say if e.g. one of my nieces had ended up in that pit and if no immediate pro assistance was apparent, I'd be in there and if I needed to sacrifice myself to save her, so be it.

tbh I couldn't live with myself if I knew I'd left her to die because I was too busy evaluating the situation.

There are many tips and tricks that you learn from training as a first responder.
These make your performance look well practised and effective.
For example, use bystanders (or even those with minor injuries) for routine tasks, and delegate to specific individuals.
E.g. you, with the bald head, call 999, you, madam, with the nose piercings run for assistance from the staff, you with the dog, look out for the ambulance and direct them here, you with the hi-viz jacket direct the traffic, etc.
These little tasks keep the bystanders minds on those tasks and reduce the potential for further casualties, stress, shock, etc.
And you're assessing the situation at the same time.

Community Emergency Responder Training is usually free, and you don't need to be employed in that role.

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etc.

 

[Mottie]

Care in the Community was designed to provide the required stimuli to help recovery of mentally ill people.
It is not only cheaper, it is also more effective than institutionalisation.

Cobblers. Most murders carried out by mentally ill people are carried out by those receiving 'care in the community' and not by those that are institutionalised.

 

[fillyboy]

Cobblers. Most murders carried out by mentally ill people are carried out by those receiving 'care in the community' and not by those that are institutionalised.

There was a large 'mental asylum' in Bodmin which I think has been demolished or at least partly demolished, there's a modern community hospital on the site now.
Anyway, locals still use the term 'he's gone completely Bodmin' to describe nutters.

 

[IT Minion]

Cobblers. Most murders carried out by mentally ill people are carried out by those receiving 'care in the community' and not by those that are institutionalised.View attachment 416884

Most murders carried out by mentally ill people are done by those not in any form of care, which is a bigger problem.

 

[pete01]

Most murders carried out by mentally ill people are done by those not in any form of care, which is a bigger problem.

Bet they weren't mentally ill before the murder, its just a good excuse.

 

[Mottie]

Most murders carried out by mentally ill people are done by those not in any form of care, which is a bigger problem.

Okay, I meant those that were diagnosed with mental issues.

 

[transam]

Another dangerous fruit cake wandering around

Reminds me if that other fruit cake who threw that little French boy off a roof some while back

The perpetrator should be throw off a roof

And this other fruit cake should be thrown into the crocodile enclosure

Failing that bump em both off by other means

 

[diy_fun_uk]

There are many tips and tricks that you learn from training as a first responder.
These make your performance look well practised and effective.
For example, use bystanders (or even those with minor injuries) for routine tasks, and delegate to specific individuals.
E.g. you, with the bald head, call 999, you, madam, with the nose piercings run for assistance from the staff, you with the dog, look out for the ambulance and direct them here, you with the hi-viz jacket direct the traffic, etc.
These little tasks keep the bystanders minds on those tasks and reduce the potential for further casualties, stress, shock, etc.
And you're assessing the situation at the same time.

Community Emergency Responder Training is usually free, and you don't need to be employed in that role.

First Aid Roles - Volunteering

Find first aid volunteer opportunities near you including Community First Aider or Emergency Responder. We’ll give you all the training you need to get started in your local community.

www.sja.org.uk

Volunteers

Join the South Western Ambulance Service NHS Foundation Trust (SWASFT) team. We cover a vast region, value diversity, and aim to deliver top-notch emergency care. Explore opportunities with us today.

www.swasft-joinus.co.uk

Community first responders | EEAST

Our community first responders (CFRs) are volunteers who are trained by us to attend certain types of emergency calls in the area where they live or work.

www.eastamb.nhs.uk

etc.

Eh?

What?!?

We're talking about a scenario where a child has fallen (or been thrown) into a crocodile pit and would/wouldn't you jump in if there was no apparent pro help immediately present.

I get what you're saying about things that can be learnt in terms of first responder etc, however not entirely related to this.

 

[King Billy]

Eh?

What?!?

We're talking about a scenario where a child has fallen (or been thrown) into a crocodile pit and would/wouldn't you jump in if there was no apparent pro help immediately present.

I get what you're saying about things that can be learnt in terms of first responder etc, however not entirely related to this.

Few incidents are over in seconds.
Usually they're still ongoing, in some form or another, e.g. spectators, relatives suffering from shock, etc.
Wannabe naive people getting involved and exacerbating the situation, crowd, gongoozlers need controlling, etc.

Wild life experts advise against trying physically to save someone from a large wild animal attack. It usually results in a second victim as well, unless there is some form of barrier between you and the animal.
Sorry, but in situations like that, it's best left to the experts, apart from trying to distract the animal with noise, lights, thrown objects, spray, etc.

Remember the first duty of the emergency responder is to one's own safety. and that of others. And we're not invulnerable, nor invincible.
It's a hard choice. The best thing to do is to be trained in the duty of an emergency responder.
What's worse than someone dying in an accident/incident?

 

[pete01]

It usually results in a second victim as well

Then so be it, there is no way I would just watch something kill my child.

 

[King Billy]

Cobblers. Most murders carried out by mentally ill people are carried out by those receiving 'care in the community' and not by those that are institutionalised.View attachment 416884

Did you read your presentation?
The failings were not the policy, the failings were in the implemenation of the policy, probably caused by insufficient funding.

 

[King Billy]

Another dangerous fruit cake wandering around

Reminds me if that other fruit cake who threw that little French boy off a roof some while back

The perpetrator should be throw off a roof

And this other fruit cake should be thrown into the crocodile enclosure

Failing that bump em both off by other means

Bigotry against mentally ill people is still rife and regularly practised by some.