They Shoot Horses, don't they?

[Odds]

It's not a promising sign that the Health Secretary is set to vote against the bill

In that case you'll be pleased to hear that...A significant proportion of NHS medical staff in England and Wales are likely to exercise a “conscience clause” if assisted dying is legalised by parliament. Labour MP Kim Leadbeater’s private member’s bill stipulates that no doctor would be under any obligation to participate in assisted dying.

the Guardian

If you want access to a dignified end-to-life scheme, the government will make sure you have to tick all the boxes - then find a doctor willing to carry out the procedure.

 

[blup]

In that case you'll be pleased to hear that...A significant proportion of NHS medical staff in England and Wales are likely to exercise a “conscience clause” if assisted dying is legalised by parliament. Labour MP Kim Leadbeater’s private member’s bill stipulates that no doctor would be under any obligation to participate in assisted dying.

Not pleased or displeased, but unsurprised, the government shafts nhs staff on pay and conditions, now threatens to sack leaders who dont perform (i.e. implement government polices that are crackpot under funded, bureaucratic, or all three). And then asks them to kill the elderly or disabled who have a disproprtionately high rates of cancer. And might get 14 years into the bargain.

the Guardian

If you want access to a dignified end-to-life scheme, the government will make sure you have to tick all the boxes - then find a doctor willing to carry out the procedure.

A bureaucratic disaster waiting to happen, just to get good publicity for mp’s. Wes can see it coming.

 

[motorbiking]

I wonder if there will be a time limit on the court order?

As it stands you'd probably have to get your application in 12 months before, for it to have a chance of getting approved.

 

[Odds]

It appears more people are in favour of the Bill: In 2019, a Royal College of Physicians poll found 31% in favour and 43% opposed; and a Royal College of GPs survey the same year found 40% in favour and 47% opposed. A BMA survey in 2020 found 50% backed assisted dying, with 39% opposed. A survey of members of the British Islamic Medical Association this year found that about nine out of 10 opposed doctors prescribing or administering life-ending medication, and 56% said the legalisation of assisted dying would affect their choice of career.


Given time, i think it will become less controversial to seek a compassionate end-to-life, especially since religious objections grow fewer by the year as more people aren't regular church goers.

 

[Odds]

God sure is a busy Deity these days...

Campaigns against assisted dying that claim to be led by healthcare workers and disabled people are being secretly coordinated and paid for by conservative Christian pressure groups, an Observer investigation has found...while they are styled to look like separate movements set up by members of the public, they in fact have concealed ties to religious lobbyists. The group’s website and media coverage includes no mention of Christianity, or any religious motivation for opposing the proposal to legalise assisted dying for terminally ill adults.

...hiding their light 'neath a bushel, you might say.

One of the biggest polls on assisted dying, conducted by Opinium for the campaign group Dignity in Dying, suggests there is widespread support for reform, with 75% of the 10,000 UK adults who were surveyed saying they would support legalising assisted dying, including 69% of Christians and 78% of respondents with disabilities. Another campaign that has been vocal in its opposition to reform, Not Dead Yet (NDY), is also facing questions about its affiliations to religious groups.

 

[blup]

God sure is a busy Deity these days...

Campaigns against assisted dying that claim to be led by healthcare workers and disabled people are being secretly coordinated and paid for by conservative Christian pressure groups, an Observer investigation has found...while they are styled to look like separate movements set up by members of the public, they in fact have concealed ties to religious lobbyists. The group’s website and media coverage includes no mention of Christianity, or any religious motivation for opposing the proposal to legalise assisted dying for terminally ill adults.

...hiding their light 'neath a bushel, you might say.

One of the biggest polls on assisted dying, conducted by Opinium for the campaign group Dignity in Dying, suggests there is widespread support for reform, with 75% of the 10,000 UK adults who were surveyed saying they would support legalising assisted dying, including 69% of Christians and 78% of respondents with disabilities. Another campaign that has been vocal in its opposition to reform, Not Dead Yet (NDY), is also facing questions about its affiliations to religious groups.

The secret coordination is the court process where the judge can decide without hearing from the patient's partner or relatives or even the patient themselves.

 

[Odds]

The secret coordination is the court process where the judge can decide without hearing from the patient's partner or relatives or even the patient themselves.

How does he make the assessment, in that case: reading tea leaves?

 

[blup]

How does he make the assessment, in that case: reading tea leaves?

He reads a bit of paper carefully drafted by expensive lawyers that the prudent family friend has drafted because the patient has cut off from his family after they raised concerns about undue influence from the “friend “. The family have no idea what’s happening because they have not been consulted.

 

[Vinty]

With a large Labour majority in Parliament, the assisted suicide Bill will probably pass.
Another nail in Britain's coffin.
National decline continues unabated.
If Canada's experience is anything to go by, then things will only get worse.

https://www.spuc.org.uk/Article/385691/15000-assisted-suicides-in-Canada-in-2023-is-frightening-vision-of-UKs-future-warns-SPUC

 

[blup]

It’s inappropriate for it to be a private members bill. Its not subject to the rigorous scrutiny a government sponsored bill would get. Its been introduced by an unelected member of the House of Lords. And it contains so called henry the eighth clauses which like brexhit give huge powers to ministers on safeguarding matters. How can you pass an act like this before the safety of the potential victim has been properly considered. Its like selling your house without agreeing a price, or voting to leave the eu without knowing the basic terms of the deal.

 

[Notch7]

With a large Labour majority in Parliament, the assisted suicide Bill will probably pass.
Another nail in Britain's coffin.
National decline continues unabated.
If Canada's experience is anything to go by, then things will only get worse.

https://www.spuc.org.uk/Article/385691/15000-assisted-suicides-in-Canada-in-2023-is-frightening-vision-of-UKs-future-warns-SPUC

You are a extremely narrow minded fool who trots out predictable tropes

You obviously have zero experience of abortion or end of life

Let’s hope you don’t get a horrible disease that leaves you screaming in pain for months while you die.

 

[Odds]

He reads a bit of paper carefully drafted by expensive lawyers that the prudent family friend has drafted because the patient has cut off from his family after they raised concerns about undue influence from the “friend “. The family have no idea what’s happening because they have not been consulted.

In that case there's no need to read a lengthy document, since the family aren't going to validate the claim: case dismissed.

 

[ajohn]

Some seem to be rewriting the law that has being put forward. Reading what ever they like into it. A judge gets a mention so a trial is needed. That may not be the case.

Canada is an example of what can happen. Initially just terminally ill. People with other types of problems campaign for the same right. Things can then be added purely on the basis of equal rights so seriously disabled gets added to the law. The latest in Canada is mental conditions. Not added but set to be reconsidered again later on.

The decision is always made by the person that wants to do it providing they are capable of making the decision. An oddity in as much as a person with some disabling conditions may know that at some point they wont be capable. Terminally ill is a lot simpler other than if treatments have been tried.

 

[motorbiking]

Some seem to be rewriting the law that has being put forward. Reading what ever they like into it. A judge gets a mention so a trial is needed. That may not be the case.

Canada is an example of what can happen. Initially just terminally ill. People with other types of problems campaign for the same right. Things can then be added purely on the basis of equal rights so seriously disabled gets added to the law. The latest in Canada is mental conditions. Not added but set to be reconsidered again later on.

The decision is always made by the person that wants to do it providing they are capable of making the decision. An oddity in as much as a person with some disabling conditions may know that at some point they wont be capable. Terminally ill is a lot simpler other than if treatments have been tried.

I posted the draft bill. There is no trial. It's the Family court division of the high court. These judges spend most of their time dealing with so call "pots n pans" law (divorce) and custody, protection of children. They are extremely busy and very slow

 

[blup]

In that case there's no need to read a lengthy document, since the family aren't going to validate the claim: case dismissed.

The family have no part in the decision, they are not mentioned in the bill afaics. The politicians pass the law, tick the box, move on, and doctors and pharmacists are expected to do the dirty work. I imagine many will exercise conscientious objection.