They Shoot Horses, don't they?

[blup]

no it just means Keir Starmer is not declaring which side he is on as he doesnt want to influence the voting

I wish he'd followed that mantra when he leant on the Speaker

 

[blup]

please could you explain why its a random figure

the purpose is to allow assisted dying only for those who are terminally ill............if you dont set a date then we are all terminally ill as we all will die one day

What difference is there in principle between somebody having two years to live and six months, or someone with a mental or physical disability that is life limiting? Who is tne government to tell someone when they can die?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

End of life care following established medical pathways is not the same as applying for permission to commit suicide

No. Either you agree with assisted dying, extra large dose of morphine, or you don't.

At the stage the doctor uses the extra large dose, the patient is likely to have no choice at all. Before that they have all the choice they want

 

[carmanmemoranda]

What difference is there in principle between somebody having two years to live and six months, or someone with a mental or physical disability that is life limiting? Who is tne government to tell someone when they can die?

When will the government tell someone that ?

Emotive, and wrong !

 

[blup]

no not one something which is apolitical

Everything is political, but to suggest state control of death is not political, is preposterous

thats a lie

Lyndsay was leaned on and didn't have the courage to stand up to the implied threats from his political colleagues.

that is not true

Lets see.

try to avoid emotive language it adds nothing to the debate

Its an inherently emotive issue which has been slipped through by an opportunist in the Lords playing on peoples fears by offering a state solution.

 

[blup]

No. Either you agree with assisted dying, extra large dose of morphine, or you don't.

At the stage the doctor uses the extra large dose, the patient is likely to have no choice at all. Before that they have all the choice they want

An over simplistic analysis typical of the pro death debate

 

[blup]

When will the government tell someone that ?

Emotive, and wrong !

At sixth months

 

[carmanmemoranda]

At sixth months

No. The government won't tell anyone they have to have assisted dying

Keep to facts please

 

[carmanmemoranda]

An over simplistic analysis typical of the pro death debate

Not at all

It's assisted dying, whether you like it or not.

It's for the benefit of everyone involved too.

 

[motorbiking]

Surely you can understand Blub's point? Why are you trying to twist it?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Surely you can understand Blub's point? Why are you trying to twist it?

I'm not twisting anything.

Trying to say the government will insist on assisted dying is twisting things

 

[motorbiking]

He didn't say that.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

What difference is there in principle between somebody having two years to live and six months, or someone with a mental or physical disability that is life limiting? Who is tne government to tell someone when they can die?

He didn't say that.

Yes. He did.

The government is not involved in when somebody dies, by choice, or not

 

[motorbiking]

"Who is the government to tell someone when they can die?"

Yes. He did.

The government is not involved in when somebody dies, by choice, or not

That is exactly the legislation - the person applies for the right to assisted dying - the government tell you when you can die (with assistance).

sec 2b defines terminal illness as expected to die within 6 months.

I'm not twisting anything.

Trying to say the government will insist on assisted dying is twisting things

you see that the 1st is not the 2nd?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

"Who is the government to tell someone when they can die?"

That is exactly the legislation - the person applies for the right to assisted dying - the government tell you when you can die (with assistance).

But ONLY if you choose it. It is not automatic, nor compulsory

sec 2b defines terminal illness as expected to die within 6 months.

you see that the 1st is not the 2nd?

No body is forced to take the government telling them when to die.

To suggest otherwise is twisting things