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Timber survey needed on house purchase?

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Level 3 survey on a 2-bed Victorian terrace has recommended 'PCA-registered joiner inspection of timbers for rot and woodworm'. The house is empty apart from kitchen units/oven and has no carpets or floor covering except on the stairs. Previous occupants used rugs over the floorboards/tiles.

These are the specific issues noted:
* Cold roof construction is lined with plasterboard creating a barrier to ventilation. Moisture ingress affecting the purlins suggesting moisture accumulation within the roof space. Plastering should not have been done. (I did not smell or feel damp on either viewing, there is a small amount of dry staining in a couple of places).
* Black mould, rising damp and condensation in the corner of the kitchen where walls have been replastered using gypsum-based plaster.
* Some gaps under the ground floor skirting due to damp. Evidence of historic wood boring beetle to several timbers, with treatment having been carried out at some point.
* Damp affecting joist against the basement front wall (no rot showing).
* Wet rot on front door frame.

However, it also says 'There are no other identified widespread timber defects'.

I cannot find an independent timber surveyor in the area. Timberwise want £360 but that is going to be a sales pitch. DampPro want £800 and are at pains to point out how they are not affiliated with any other companies and don't carry out remedial work, but Heritage House seems to rate them as 'con artists' so I'm not sure who to trust.

My question is: is a timber survey really warranted in this situation or is the surveyor just covering their back as standard? It's a cash purchase. This survey is less negative about damp/timber issues than one I had on a similar house on the next street (purchase fell through for other reasons before anything was pursued), and is possibly similar to all houses of this age/style. Wouldn't something really significant have been pointed out in the survey given how accessible everything is in an empty, uncarpeted house? I am following up on the woodworm history with the vendor but not had a reply yet.

The house is competitively priced for the area (£200k) as the kitchen needs some work (I'm expecting to replace the entire interior, if not add an extension similar to other neighbouring houses), but not a worrying bargain. It was occupied by the owner's son while studying who has now married and bought their own place. I've got money in reserve to sort things out as needed, but don't want to be faced with a major renovation project. Thanks!
 
A level 3 survey should include investigation and diagnosis of the damp issues described.
 
It did, which is why I'm wondering whether a further specialist survey is really required.
- plasterboard in loft
- gypsum-based plaster in kitchen
- brickwork repointed using cement (not lime) mortar and painted with unknown type of paint which may prevent breathing (forgot this in original post)
 
Surveyors ALWAYS put things down to cover themselves...a lot of it is utter bs.

Try and get hold of a good builder to check things over.
 
I cannot find an independent timber surveyor in the area. Timberwise want £360 but that is going to be a sales pitch. DampPro want £800 and are at pains to point out how they are not affiliated with any other companies and don't carry out remedial work, but Heritage House seems to rate them as 'con artists' so I'm not sure who to trust.
This just caught my eye. Why do people rate Heritage House as some kind of industry expert? They are just a business trying to attract customers much the same as Timberwise and DampPro the only difference is they slag everyone else off to try and give themselves some extra legitimacy.

Funny that the RICS have recently upheld a disciplinary hearing against the company and removed them from registration. So who is the "con artist"? Reading the disciplinary hearing record he sounds like a lovely fellow.

As Woody said I would expect a level 3 survey to go in to a bit more detail and draw stronger conclusions. However regarding the specifics of this case, the defects described do not sound particularly serious and if you are planning on doing work anyway set aside £1500 as a contingency and hope for the best. You also have the option of speaking to the surveyor, they sometimes give a more candid verbal response which can be more insightful than a carefully worded caveat ridden written report.
 
It did, which is why I'm wondering whether a further specialist survey is really required.
- plasterboard in loft
- gypsum-based plaster in kitchen
- brickwork repointed using cement (not lime) mortar and painted with unknown type of paint which may prevent breathing (forgot this in original post)
Well if it has been diagnosed, all you need is a cost for the remedial works not another survey to diagnose it further.
 
they would always recommend that , along with electrics and lots of other things in the house survey - my son has recently had 2 surveys
However, because of damp , he had to have another damp survey because of mortgage with recommended approved people - and that was really a useless report
As they could not remove anything to investigate as that would destroy decor etc and remove tiles and covering from the roof
And then just had links online to get quotes for the remedial work guessed at

Are you on a mortgage - if so , what have they demanded to loan on the property
 
Thanks, I have asked for a call with the surveyor for more detail on the location of the historic woodworm anyway.
 
they would always recommend that , along with electrics and lots of other things in the house survey - my son has recently had 2 surveys
However, because of damp , he had to have another damp survey because of mortgage with recommended approved people - and that was really a useless report
As they could not remove anything to investigate as that would destroy decor etc and remove tiles and covering from the roof
And then just had links online to get quotes for the remedial work guessed at

Are you on a mortgage - if so , what have they demanded to loan on the property
Cash purchase.
 
The surveyor is covering themselves, so if you do discover a problem, it's not their problem.

All a further survey will tell you is if there are problems that are going to be expensive. Whether you want that survey or not is a financial and safety decision for yourself. If you have funds and are prepared to use them, then you could just deal with it without a survey.

Just from the sound of the property, and from it's age, it's likely you should expect problems.
 
Thanks for the clarity. I do want an idea of the cost (and practicalities) of fixing the issues. In all likelihood I do have the money, but it's not a house I'm going to be in long-term so there's a limit to what I'm willing to spend. I'm expecting problems in a house that age - my two previous houses have had no problems but they were 40-50 years younger, so I have no experience with this sort of work.

I suppose I have to decide whether getting that idea of cost is best done by a specialist surveyor/remediator, or a general builder (I do know one I could ask to look).
 
personally as a DIYer , i would get someone who would do the work, so you know where you stand to some extent - or at least you will get a From To quotes
As you know someone , you probably trust them more than a joe bloggs from xxx company

a Surveyor would just be covering thermselves , as far as i can tell with recent surveys i have read

But as i say just a DIYer and had 7 houses myself , and 3 with family , and then the ones family turned down - so not much experience
 
We bought with cash, I never even considered getting a surveyor.

Especially after I saw the mickey mouse operation the buyers of our previous house got for their many £100s. I wasn't sure whether their experts had even started shaving.

Their tools are two eyes, a dodgy damp meter, a training course and copy and pasting paragraphs.

Get some overalls, a good torch and a prodding screwdriver, have a look for yourself.

It looks like the training course takes a few days...

 

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