Eh?
Rousing speech, but nothing to do with this naïve and outdated statement....
Utter nonsense.
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Rousing speech, but nothing to do with this naïve and outdated statement....
Which surely proves that uni isn’t as necessary as some would make out. It’s just a three year pïss up with a year off in between.
Some? You mean old ignorant childless gammons?
Should be popular with alcoholics.
The debate as to whether an apprenticeship route is more beneficial than a Uni degree route to a career, will always feature in a young persons mind.
However, none think that they deserve a top class job and salary once they graduate. That's just naïve old gammon speak.
Get a degree and you can go straight into McDonalds as a three star employee. No more starting at the bottom and working your way up…..
The things is, if every interviewee has a degree, then you have to separate the wheat from the chaff. It's not unusual for Maccies to have graduates on their books.
I know some firms insist on a degree others don't. I don't see any reason to discourage a Uni education, based on crotchety old men moaning about it on here. It's one pathway to a career, but no one is under the illusion that it entitles them to an elite high paying job, the moment they are handed their graduation results.
I’d have to disagree with you on that. I think many are.
Seriously Mottie, they are not.
Having a degree opens up a small amount of freedom of choice for stable career paths like the Police, Armed Forces (officer training), Medicine, Law, Media etc. As I said, without the degree, the door closes on some job oppportunities.
There are no guarantees and there have been no guarantees for decades Mottie. No careers adviser, teacher, lecturer, fellow peers, University career staff or otherwise are pushing the nonsense notion that they are guaranteed even a job at all. Who are these young students you speak about and who do you think is telling them a Uni degree is a career path to an elite high paying job the minute they graduate?
I'll wait...
I think you're both right to an extent so I'm concluding the full truth is somewhere in between the two of you.
If you were to ask a thousand University students, attending zero prestige Uni's, if they think they'll walk into and elite, high paying job the instant they graduate, all the sober ones will just laugh at you. There is no one out there saying such nonsense, whether that be students, advisers, lecturers or otherwise. The only people I have heard utter such idiocy is poorly educated, Daily Wail reading, crotchety old duffers on here.
Whenever I hear of high prestige Uni's, I am always reminded of this story that I remember seeing on the news at the time and I have always wondered what amount of common sense these prestige university students possessed. I mean, they are supposed to be the elite, aren’t they?
Last of the Oxford bridge jumpers leaves hospital
The last of the students injured after jumping from a bridge while taking part in May Day revelries at Oxford University are expected to leave hospital today.
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Have you asked a thousand university students?
Yes, they are elite. Potential employers see the word Oxford or Cambridge and they see a graduate thereof. It opens doors. Some high caliber graduates from elite Uni's are headhunted and groomed or shoehorned in by daddys wallet. These tiny few are the ones that land the prestige high paying jobs, when they leave Uni.Whenever I hear of high prestige Uni's, I am always reminded of this story that I remember seeing on the news at the time and I have always wondered what amount of common sense these prestige university students possessed. I mean, they are supposed to be the elite, aren’t they?
Last of the Oxford bridge jumpers leaves hospital
The last of the students injured after jumping from a bridge while taking part in May Day revelries at Oxford University are expected to leave hospital today.
The rest are under no illusions.
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What do you mean by a "proper job"?
"There were 240,000 graduates who said they could not work due to health reasons", so that isn't related to the university, per se.
"Over 700,000 graduates aged 16 to 64." - quite hilarious statistic to lead with given most of the article covers the inactivity of the younger generations.
"110,000 graduates under the age of 30 now claim at least one benefit without being in work", bit more useful, but buried somewhere deep in the text.
Some of the graduates may have started a graduate scheme, or started their masters, or returned back home due to their visa expiry, or simply pursued something not related to their degree.
Some people say that their degree they earned wasn't even beneficial and remains unused, but I believe that if someone puts their degree on an application, then they're using it. Many positions, even if they don’t require a degree, they will prioritize those with the degree.
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There needs to be more apprenticeships. The Government should help businesses with this, but not like they did in the past. my brother went on a Government paid job scheme where employers took people on and the Government funded them for 3 months. He worked at several places for 3 months at a time, some firms just used the scheme as free slave labour.
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It's already challenging enough to get companies to invest in the UK.
For instance, if the government imposes financial penalties on companies that outsource, those businesses will likely just relocate or stop investing in the UK entirely.
We need to recognize that we're no longer in the past, where companies primarily hired based on their location.
Today we operate in a global market where technology enables people to work remotely in many roles, no matter where they are based.
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