(up to) £40k golden goodbye for asylum seekers.

[yorksbuilder]

Staight after it was revoked, the small boats floodgates opened. Well done brexers.

Brexit - total pile of useless dog turd.

You're wrong. The small boats started in earnest after security was increased in Calais. More than 2 years before Dublin agreement was ended

 

[morqthana]

Apparently not. You've just, 10 minutes ago, suggested that UK act illegally, immorally and inhumanely.

He doesn't care if we see more dead children washed up on beaches.

 

[morqthana]

It was banned years ago

Wrong.

 

[morqthana]

If as you say, we don't know anything about them, allowing them to work will make no difference whatsoever.

It will make positive differences.

All the people they work with will find out more about them.

They will have names, and not be just indistinguishable members of a group.

The people they work with will become known to them, and not be to them just indistinguishable members of a group.

They'll start to feel like they have a stake in being part of society.

They will start to integrate.

 

[morqthana]

Yes, but im not the one suggesting we add a few more....Think on...

Actually, that is precisely what you are suggesting

Any role working with children obviously

 

[morqthana]

Care home jobs sometimes fall into this bracket. You want 'em working with our elderly?

You want to see citizens who don't want to care for our elderly forced into doing it...

Maybe the citizens should be told 'you're taking that job, or we're cutting your benefits'.

 

[Justin Passing]

Isn't it tacit acknowledgement by the government that they are not asylum seekers but economic migrant chancers? And that being the case why doesn't the government simply boot them out anyway?

And if they really were asylum seekers what good would leaving with £10,000 each do them?

None of it adds up. As usual.

That's more or less what I was saying.
The "Expedient" bit assumes they might for example otherwise try some other angle. They're well known for having a go through one legal approach then another, in sequence.
Until recently it was , I read, accepted that they'd go throughthe list to drag the process out. I believe it tightened up. So now they, can't claim they're gay after trying three other reasons not to be sent back have failed. OK I made that up, but that was the principle.
The cash was/is a bribe not to try to do that.

 

[Justin Passing]

You want to see citizens who don't want to care for our elderly forced into doing it...

It happens. My mother had a carer from dark Africa somewhere, who didn't want the job and he was useless, but he said he had to take it - in broken English. He didn't know what a sandwich was.
He said he had to try a job for a bit then he could go back on the dole.

The "training" to be a carer is negligible. The woman who comes to do some housework for me did the training, and was disgusted.
The pay is about the same as the supermarket delivery drivers'. £12 an hour or so.
Half the time they're caring for people who've soiled their clothes, or the bed. Ugh, we need robots for that!

I've been teaching her, while paying her, how to make ££ on the stock market. Her £50 is up to 90 in a couple of weeks!

You live(d) in France, n'est ce pas? What's the minimum wage there?

 

[King Billy]

Yes dear I know. They all live in the same place, don't they. And it's too much.

Irrelevant waffle.

If you're going to be a jerk every time you post, you shouldn't be posting.

Criticising your mistaken comprehension of a news report is in your view, "being a jerk"?
Evidently you not only have a poor grasp of English comprehension, you also suffer from enosiophobia.

Average wage in say Albania, is about £800 a month - a third of here.
The women tend not to work at all if there are kids. So you have to compare the figure they get, to one man's pay.
It makes it pretty attractive for someone, with a family, to have a go at getting a better life in the UK, or failing that, go back as you were but with 4x the average salary in your pocket all in one go.
Pay in Afghanistan can ordinarily be around £300 a month. A £10k handout for a single, is a frikkin fortune.
For a single young bloke 10k is 3 years' pay. Very attractive for a shot if you can't get a job, wouldn't you say?

More irrelevant waffle.

I don't really see why failed asylum seekers should be paid at all, but if it's for expedience, the Tories' £3k looks like a more appropriate figure.

Evidently the £3,000 was insufficient to be effective.

 

[King Billy]

I thought they were desperate, starving refugees fleeing persecution in their home countries and that we had a moral duty to take them in?

About 80% of applications are judged to be genuine.
We do have a moral duty to offer them some protection from persecution. The alternative is to do what Israel and USA is trying - to illegally bomb their way to regime change.
But history has taught us that it's not possible to achieve regime change through bombing. Well it's taught some of us, the others refuse to learn from history and continue the endless and pointless violence.

The one exception when war and violence has achieved regime change is the end of WW2, but only for Germany and for Japan, but at what cost, in human lives and expense, to the whole world. The division of spoils is still causing further violence, death, destruction and enormous cost across and around the globe.
So attempts at achieving regime change by violence only causes more chaos, more death and suffering, and ever more violence, risk and uncertainty.

 

[King Billy]

If they offered 40k to British families aswell, it would he interesting to see how many would pizz off....be tempting wouldn't it?

Let's explore your idea a little.......
Where would they go?

 

[King Billy]

If we simply got rid of 'em all and slimmed the country down 20 million or so, as per my deportation plan, British families could have an extra £40k every day!

(I exaggerate slightly, but you get my drift).

It would be seen as bribery for votes.
Is that what you want the UK democracy to sink to?

 

[King Billy]

I'm saying what I'm saying, not what you're saying. I don't know if you're trying to be critical or supportive.

It's annoying isn't it when others intentionally misrepresent what you've said.
So why do you do it?

 

[King Billy]

Doesn't offering 'asylum seekers' money to f*ck off belie the fact that they are asylum seekers?

Obviously you didn't read the news, or you failed to comprehend it correctly. (You're not the only one, many others have done likewise, usually typical Reform supporters)
It only applies to failed asylum seekers, so their application has failed, which probably means they were in no danger of persecution. (Although they might be now).

Families of failed asylum seekers will be offered....

Failed asylum seeker families to be offered up to £40k to leave

The home secretary says the "incentives" will deliver a "significant saving to the taxpayer".

www.bbc.co.uk

And if they really were asylum seekers what good would leaving with £10,000 each do them?

Probably not much good at all. The previous £3k was no incentive, perhaps the current up to £10k might be.
We'll have to wait and see.

None of it adds up. As usual.

It never would for someone who wants forced repatriation for all non-white immigrants, which also wouldn't add up, but they can't see why.

 

[King Billy]

We need to stop them coming here in the first place

The best way is via foreign aid, but that's been reduced substantially or stopped.
The other alternative is restricting the sale and supply of weapons which would also reduce the violence in the world. But many nations rely on the proceeds and technical development of such weapons sales. So financial gain is more important than reduction of migration.
Another driver of migration is climate change. But many refuse the chance of reducing the effects of climate change in their pursuit, yet again, of financial rewards.
The complaints about migration is hypocrisy on a global geopolitical scale.