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carmanmemoranda · Monday at 12:00 PM

Elsa TLC said:
If it was not for a free Britain standing up to Germany Europe would still be occupied, and the war would have been lost.

Not really true when you take into account the aims at the time.

Yes, I agree we needed to stand but you need to look at the full picture

Elsa TLC · Monday at 12:04 PM

carmanmemoranda said:
Not really true when you take into account the aims at the time.

Yes, I agree we needed to stand but you need to look at the full picture

Explain more of what the full picture was?

carmanmemoranda · Monday at 12:04 PM

Elsa TLC said:
Explain more of what the full picture was?

Do your own research if you want to claim what you do.

But clue, hitler, uk. Empire

Elsa TLC · Monday at 12:07 PM

I need you to explain. Ive told you my veiw.

carmanmemoranda said:
Do your own research if you want to claim what you do.

But clue, hitler, uk. Empire

Britain was the key Country as to why Europe is not occupied to this day.

Munroast · Monday at 12:08 PM

Elsa TLC said:
My first words on the subject was America could not have won WW2 without us (meaning Britain).

Ive never said we could have won the war alone.

If it was not for a free Britain standing up to Germany Europe would still be occupied, and the war would have been lost.

Absolutely, if it had not been for us germany would have goose-stepped all over europe

Same with the slave trade, if it had not been for Great Britain's Royal Navy stamping it out it would have continued for another century or more

We have been an amazing country that has done so much good, so proud to be British

ellal · Monday at 12:27 PM

Elsa TLC said:
What ever nationality was within the British Isles.

There wasn't many Americans Pre Battle of Britain

As regards the battle of Britain, pilots and ground crew from 15 countries were involved...

The second biggest contingent after Britain was from Poland...

Such a shame we turned our back on them and other European nations 10 years ago!

Had they not filled the gaping holes in our defence along with other commonwealth countries, the number of americans is irrelevant...

The US wouldn't have bothered with Europe if Britain had fallen as they always only look out for themselves!

Elsa TLC · Monday at 12:39 PM

Great, we are getting somewhere

ellal said:
As regards the battle of Britain, pilots and ground crew from 15 countries were involved...

Where did most of these take off from once Europe was occupied?

ellal said:
The second biggest contingent after Britain was from Poland...

The Polish where experienced great Pilots. Even better when flying Spitfires and Hurricanes

ellal said:
Such a shame we turned our back on them and other European nations 10 years ago!

Got nothing to do with the war.

ellal said:
Had they not filled the gaping holes in our defence along with other commonwealth countries, the number of americans is irrelevant...

The Americans would never have joined the war. Would have been too late.

ellal said:
The US wouldn't have bothered with Europe if Britain had fallen as they always only look out for themselves!

So this pretty much takes us back to my first statement.

However the Americans still might have had some beef with the Japanese.

ellal · Monday at 1:00 PM

Elsa TLC said:
Got nothing to do with the war.

It has everything to do with war...

Look back through history and usually a single event triggers a greater conflict...

The uk turning it's back on Europe emboldened putin as it has weakened Europe...

Those who engineered brexit (with dodgy funding) preferred the US model rather than the European one which whilst not perfect is a more socially cohesive approach to governance...

So we are now essentially allied to the US who couldn't give a monkeys about who they shaft...

They bled the UK monetarily up until 2006 with war debts whilst pouring money on former enemies who had then become strategically more important...

The US had decided to build an empire on the back of one that they helped to dismantle...

So now we are looking into the abyss once again and will soon have to fight another war that we are ill prepared for and brought about by ignorance yet again!

MNW67 · Monday at 1:02 PM

Elsa TLC said:
However the Americans still might have had some beef with the Japanese.

Kobe beef?

IT Minion · Monday at 3:02 PM

Munroast said:
Absolutely, if it had not been for us germany would have goose-stepped all over europe

Same with the slave trade, if it had not been for Great Britain's Royal Navy stamping it out it would have continued for another century or more

We have been an amazing country that has done so much good, so proud to be British

Yes, but American industry and Russian disposable manpower would have still carried it in the end.

If we'd joined with Hitler as some of the country wanted (and some still seem to want) then it would have been quite different.

fixitflav · Monday at 3:10 PM

ellal said:
It has everything to do with war...

The comment was "Got nothing to do with the war.", not war in general. How can the war be affected by something that happened 10 years later?

Munroast · Monday at 3:12 PM

IT Minion said:
Yes, but American industry and Russian disposable manpower would have still carried it in the end.

Absolutely, we only won it with considerable help from others - but we were the ones who took the fight to an enemy we had no chance of beating, if we had not shown such bravery in the face of the unjust, theUS may have let us sink, they had very little interest in helping in the beginning

Elsa TLC · Monday at 3:54 PM

ellal said:
It has everything to do with war...

Yes ok your right there is a follow on connection

ellal said:
Look back through history and usually a single event triggers a greater conflict...

Yes

ellal said:
The uk turning it's back on Europe emboldened putin as it has weakened Europe...

Cameron did say Brexit could lead to WW3

ellal said:
Those who engineered brexit (with dodgy funding) preferred the US model rather than the European one which whilst not perfect is a more socially cohesive approach to governance...

So we are now essentially allied to the US who couldn't give a monkeys about who they shaft...

Had the Japanese not attacked Pearl Harbour, then id make you right.

ellal said:
They bled the UK monetarily up until 2006 with war debts whilst pouring money on former enemies who had then become strategically more important...

They did

ellal said:
The US had decided to build an empire on the back of one that they helped to dismantle...

So now we are looking into the abyss once again and will soon have to fight another war that we are ill prepared for and brought about by ignorance yet again!

Elsa TLC · Monday at 4:01 PM

IT Minion said:
Yes, but American

American industry rescued Europe? D Day from Africa?

IT Minion said:
industry and Russian disposable manpower would have still carried it in the end.

Yes when you say End. Is that as far as Irelands west cost?

If the Russians defeated the Germans, do you think they would have packed their bags and returned to Moscow?

IT Minion said:
If we'd joined with Hitler as some of the country wanted (and some still seem to want) then it would have been quite different.

IT Minion · Monday at 4:04 PM

Elsa TLC said:
American industry rescued Europe? D Day from Africa?

D Day wasn't that big a deal compared to the Eastern front.

And yes, American industry gave us a huge amount of weapons. Rifles, machine guns, trucks, tanks, ships, planes and food.

Go read a history book.

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